Mulberry20

I have been using Veloflex Corsa Evos and Vittoria Corsa 2.0 on my Serotta both clinchers. My lesser ridden Colnago has Pirelli P Zeros. The tires on my Serotta are handmade glued up tires on cotton poly casings that you can see through if you hold them up to bright light. They are light, fast and supple. I have yet to have a flat on either of these tires. So I cannot understand why anyone would spend the time and money on what amounts to a patchwork technology. The Pirellis haven’t flatted either and they are more robust of the three. Supple.

bbbean 

[QUOTE=Toespeas;21655893]LOL. I guess I'm not a real racer, nor are the guys I'm racing against, nor are the pros who are increasingly moving to tubeless.

oldwinger14

On a somewhat related topic, I am/was considering Schwalbe Pro One TLEs (700x28) for my next set of tires. Checking pricing on biketiresdirect.com yesterday, many of the reviews mentioned how susceptible these tires are to punctures. I do not remember reading many reviews on other websites mentioning this issue, but now I am a bit concerned. Did biketiresdirect.com get a bad batch of tires, only sell to unlucky people, or are these tires really more prone to getting punctured easier than other tubeless tires?

BHG6

I had the same issues with those tires. The original Schwalbe One was a fantastic tire and I put thousands of miles on those before they came out with the updated version. I tried a couple sets of those but the puncture protection was terrible. When they came out with the tubeless version I gave those a try and had the same issues so I switched to Zipp Tangente and couldn't be happier with their performance. It's more of a race tire though so they do wear faster.

oldwinger14

Thanks for the reply. I have read some good things about the Zipp Tangente tires but chose to focus on the Pro One TLE's rather than cloud up my mind with other choices. Based on your comments, though, I need to give them more focus.

Did you​ mount them yourself? If so, were they easy, or difficult to mount? I have Mavic Kysrium Elite wheels.

jds670

Thanks for all the info everyone! So far the pro ones have been working out for me. Running back tire at 75 and front tire at 60. I was told by a friend to try 50 front 50 back. Anyone heard anything good about the new pro ones with the addix race compound??

BHG6

I have a set of Mavic Comete Pro Carbon's and I can mount them without tools and seat them with a regular track pump.

oldwinger14

Thanks for the response. There are many reviews of tubeless tires, and they all seem to have an equal share of pro and con comments. Have you had the tires on your bike long enough to form an opinion on their ride comfort and puncture resistance?

BHG6

I think I've been riding these tires for 5,000 miles, give or take, and so far, they're the tires that tick the boxes for me. They ride almost exactly like the tires that come with the Comete Pro's (Mavic Yksion Pro I think) but the puncture resistance is better in my experience. They're easier to find and just as easy to mount as well.
I've read a few reviews talking about blown out sidewalls but I haven't had any such issues and I'm a pretty big boy at 6'4/215.....and I was even heavier during the lockdowns But, it's something to be aware of....

oldwinger14

Sounds like I will get the Zipp Tangete tires next. My Kysrium Elite wheels also came with Yksion Pros. I like them too but always looking for something better.

Toespeas

[QUOTE=bbbean;21658765]well the serious racers i know use tubs , there are plenty of people that use tubeless and have a great time , but on average tubeless road is the most pointless system , it might seal up some small pin holes and get you home on 50 psi but you will still have to seal the hole with a patch and it will still seep and weep , any real gash is not going to seal , you hit a half inch something in the road you are going to have to install a tube and good luck getting the bead back up if it unlocks , and good luck getting the tube in with plastic levers , and good luck not pinching the tube as you install it , the amount of issues tubeless creates in the long run is not worth the hassle , running latex would be easier , if you do one day races on your dedicated race day/ hard group ride wheels tubeless will be better at that situation , than putting 4k miles on them and expecting them to not have one issue over those miles !

Princess_Allez

I had the complete opposite experience. They were harder to mount than the Yksion Pro, which were a tough job themselves. There's zero chance these tires were going on without the help of tire levers. The rear tire seated with a co2 cartridge blast, but not the front.

bbbean 

[QUOTE=Toespeas;21675459]That's not a trivial thing, ESPECIALLY in a race, in bad weather, when you're on a tight schedule, etc. Throw in reduced rolling resistance and you have the reason tubeless works for so many riders.

Who said anything about not having one issue? I'm thrilled to have fewer issues.

BHG6

Just installed a new rear tire yesterday. The only time I used a tire lever was to remove the old one....try gripping the top of the wheel with your fingers and using the palms of your hands to drag the bead of the tire over the edge of the rim. It's way easier than using your thumbs.

aclinjury

Zipp Tangente sucks, rides like garden hose, they're thick. Good for rear wheel of a daily workhorse, not for a premium bike looking for premium feel.

Princess_Allez

I used this method when first trying to install the tire. I made sure the tire sat in the well and took any slack -that was available- out of the tire; I mounted in the direction of the valve. It was just an insanely tight fit. What ended up happening was, as I spooned the tire on -a little from each side- it reached a point of extreme tension and would not go on anymore. I got frustrated [and lucky] that the use of the tire lever, cantilevered under the center of the unmounted portion caused it to stretch just enough to snap on.

Even though it was insanely difficult to put on, the quality of the ride is pleasant enough to warrant the hassle. I assume the impossible-to-mount sidewall is what gives this tire it's reactive steering input. It's much better than the Yksion Pro tires I had before- much more confidence inspiring to rail a corner.

BHG6

What rims are you mounting them on? There doesn't seem to be any real standards for tubeless with the rare exception of Mavic's UST wheels and tires. The Yksion Pro's were the easiest ones I've mounted on my Comete Pro's but, they were designed to work together.
But the Yksions are hard to find, don't last very long, and have pretty poor puncture resistance (at least in my experience) and now the Tangentes are getting harder to find as well.

It looks like Schwalbe released a new version of the Pro One that uses a new compound and V-Guard instead of that crappy Microskin they used on the previous version. I loved the tubed Pro One's when they first came out but the tubeless version was terrible imho.
Might have to try the newest version of those once my Zipp's are done.

Princess_Allez

I mounted them onto my Mavic Comete rims. I also have Cosmic Pro rims. I've mounted 6 different Yksion pro tires onto my cosmic pro rims, and out of those only one of them mounted easily; the others all required tire levers. Your assessment of the Yksion pro tire is spot on otherwise.

othompson

tires on my Serotta are handmade glued up tires on cotton poly casings that you can see through if you hold them

oldwinger14

It sounds like you are not a big fan of Zipp Tangente tubeless tire but offered no opinion on what you think are better choices. Can you provide more info beyond your criticism of the Zipps?

aclinjury

If you want a workhorse tires for daily duty, Tangente is ok, like I've said.
If you want a lighter and more importantly more supple tire, get Schwable Pro One or Vittoria Corsa (I believe). Or you can mix it up, Pro One / Vit Corsa on the front, Tangente for the rear.

The reason why the Tangente is so thich and hard is because it has a butyl layer on the inside, and it has very thick bead..and according to Zipp, you don't need sealand to make this tire seal. But the price to pay is a heavy and hard tire.

Thin and light weight tires ride better but don't last as long, don't seal as well, because there is less material.

Everything has its pro's and con's.

me personally, I would never use Tangente on a premium bike. When I hear Tangente, I think of Gatorskin kind of ride quality.

Mulberry20

Life is too short to ride on hard, slow heavy tires. The fun, fast and supple ones have gotten more durable, more puncture resistant and far cheaper online than they used to be. Excel Sports has two packs for 50% of retail. My picks would be in no particular order:

Veloflex Corsa EVO (harder to mount but worth the effort very fast and frisky tire)
Vittoria Corsa 2.0 regular or the heavier Control model (pretty easy to mount amazing stability and look fabulous)
Pirelli P Zero regular or 4S model (easiest to mount, fast and supple what you expect from a Pirelli product)
Conti 5000 (beware of mounting, fast but chattery, durable and can’t go wrong)
Vittoria Rubino Pro 2.0 (good inexpensive tires)

Of those the Contis, Rubinos and Pirellis will last the longest. The Pirellis are the goldilocks tire.

oldwinger14

Good comments....thanks. I originally was going to purchase Schwalbe Pro Ones but I read a few articles and postings by users that mentioned Pro Ones were very prone to punctures. That is what had me exploring other options and I ended up focusing on the Zipp Tangente. I do not know if Schwalbe has addressed this issue with their ADDIX compound now used in the latest iteration of Pro Ones.

Mulberry20

If puncture resistance is a priority then you might like Panaracers Race Series A or D. They are made in Japan and very strong tires without the baggage of highly puncture resistant tires. My buddy swears by them. I have never used them but I did see them unmounted and looked very well made. You would have to buy them online from PanaracerUSA.

jds670

So far no issues/flats with the Pro ones! Running back at 75 and front 60. After all the debate I decided to carry Dynaplug only in my kit. We shall see how that plays out. Thanks for all the comments everyone.