Cycling Posture - Upright is Right!
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A lot has to do with the rider.
Some riders are inflexible when it comes to change. Riders get into a comfortable groove, a bicycle riding style and basically stick with that. Other riders are more venturesome and their personalities are more "flexible". Riders who do crossovers or who have both a road bike and a mountain bike are more flexible.
Some riders are inflexible when it comes to change. Riders get into a comfortable groove, a bicycle riding style and basically stick with that. Other riders are more venturesome and their personalities are more "flexible". Riders who do crossovers or who have both a road bike and a mountain bike are more flexible.
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Besides the back issue, there's the neck issue. Riding forward as with drop bars, position 1 in the diagram, or even position 2 puts strain on the neck, whereas sitting upright puts zero strain on the neck. I've got a bad neck, and craning up for any length of time hurts my neck a lot. So I use the upright position and occasionally position 2. In terms of my back, I do feel more pressure in my lower back with my upright than my MTB, but it's not painful (as my neck would be on drop bars). My commute is pretty easy, about 4 miles, so thus far an upright hybrid is my choice.
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NEITHER is designed to support your entire body weight very long.
While your wrists did evolve from the weight-bearing forelimbs of four-legged animals and can actually support considerable force, your spine was never designed to have bumps transmitted up its length via a relatively hard seat shoved right up against your pelvic bones.
Upright might be more "comfortable" if you don't have the core muscular strength to handle anything else, but every little road bump you hit is putting a pretty high compressive impulse on the disks of your lower spine.
While your wrists did evolve from the weight-bearing forelimbs of four-legged animals and can actually support considerable force, your spine was never designed to have bumps transmitted up its length via a relatively hard seat shoved right up against your pelvic bones.
Upright might be more "comfortable" if you don't have the core muscular strength to handle anything else, but every little road bump you hit is putting a pretty high compressive impulse on the disks of your lower spine.
I find that since I'm practically standing, all I do is lift one foot over the bumps and now it's no longer transmitted over my spine! I know this sounds simple but it's true!. I do agree that you do ride slower but I'm not fast anymore. I do think bike like the Electra cruiser with it's "flat feet" geometry maybe a different story since you can't lift your body but are required to hit all the bumps sitting down.
I guess it all depends on the geometry of the bike. I haven't tried a long distance ride on my Windsor Oxford but I would not be surprised if long distance bicycling isn't a possibility. Schwinn used to make bikes like these and a Brooks Champion Flyer was used. If I used one of those on my Windsor, I probably would not have to lift even my right foot because the springs would absorb most of the road shock.
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...ord_deluxe.htm
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I used to think this way too until I learned how to ride an upright bicycle. BikesDirect sells the Windsor Oxford bikes and they are very upright. In fact, I'm practically standing on my feet while sitting on the saddle! Years ago, I would have stated this postion would be too painful for long distance riding. However, I took my first long 10 mile ride without any pain at all. It all depends on how you ride an upright bike.
I find that since I'm practically standing, all I do is lift one foot over the bumps and now it's no longer transmitted over my spine! I know this sounds simple but it's true!. I do agree that you do ride slower but I'm not fast anymore. I do think bike like the Electra cruiser with it's "flat feet" geometry maybe a different story since you can't lift your body but are required to hit all the bumps sitting down.
I guess it all depends on the geometry of the bike. I haven't tried a long distance ride on my Windsor Oxford but I would not be surprised if long distance bicycling isn't a possibility. Schwinn used to make bikes like these and a Brooks Champion Flyer was used. If I used one of those on my Windsor, I probably would not have to lift even my right foot because the springs would absorb most of the road shock.
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...ord_deluxe.htm
I find that since I'm practically standing, all I do is lift one foot over the bumps and now it's no longer transmitted over my spine! I know this sounds simple but it's true!. I do agree that you do ride slower but I'm not fast anymore. I do think bike like the Electra cruiser with it's "flat feet" geometry maybe a different story since you can't lift your body but are required to hit all the bumps sitting down.
I guess it all depends on the geometry of the bike. I haven't tried a long distance ride on my Windsor Oxford but I would not be surprised if long distance bicycling isn't a possibility. Schwinn used to make bikes like these and a Brooks Champion Flyer was used. If I used one of those on my Windsor, I probably would not have to lift even my right foot because the springs would absorb most of the road shock.
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...ord_deluxe.htm
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I don't have dreams or fantasies about being some big-deal racer in France. Therefore, I don't have a need or interest in assuming the position and pretending to be one on a drop bar bike. I've ridden mountain bikes for 30 years now and am used to that position. HOWEVER, I'm also getting older by the day. My body and joints are now 65 years old, and they aren't what they were 10, 20 or more years ago. I'll bet yours aren't either.
On a windy day if riding 40 or 50 miles, yeah I might want to drop down some. But my shoulders, elbows and wrists just can't take the weight anymore. And so, I am interested in what this article says.
If you don't die first, you will age. Your body will change. And along with it, your riding requirements are bound to change as well. Unless like I said, unless you die first...
On a windy day if riding 40 or 50 miles, yeah I might want to drop down some. But my shoulders, elbows and wrists just can't take the weight anymore. And so, I am interested in what this article says.
If you don't die first, you will age. Your body will change. And along with it, your riding requirements are bound to change as well. Unless like I said, unless you die first...
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I don't have dreams or fantasies about being some big-deal racer in France. Therefore, I don't have a need or interest in assuming the position and pretending to be one on a drop bar bike. I've ridden mountain bikes for 30 years now and am used to that position. HOWEVER, I'm also getting older by the day. My body and joints are now 65 years old, and they aren't what they were 10, 20 or more years ago. I'll bet yours aren't either.
On a windy day if riding 40 or 50 miles, yeah I might want to drop down some. But my shoulders, elbows and wrists just can't take the weight anymore. And so, I am interested in what this article says.
If you don't die first, you will age. Your body will change. And along with it, your riding requirements are bound to change as well. Unless like I said, unless you die first...
On a windy day if riding 40 or 50 miles, yeah I might want to drop down some. But my shoulders, elbows and wrists just can't take the weight anymore. And so, I am interested in what this article says.
If you don't die first, you will age. Your body will change. And along with it, your riding requirements are bound to change as well. Unless like I said, unless you die first...
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I'm super attached to my GT Xizang mountain bike, and I can't imagine giving her up. But to tell the truth, you guys have me considering a recumbent more and more... Just not to the exclusion of my sweet Xizang.
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I don't have dreams or fantasies about being some big-deal racer in France. Therefore, I don't have a need or interest in assuming the position and pretending to be one on a drop bar bike. I've ridden mountain bikes for 30 years now and am used to that position. HOWEVER, I'm also getting older by the day. My body and joints are now 65 years old, and they aren't what they were 10, 20 or more years ago. I'll bet yours aren't either.
On a windy day if riding 40 or 50 miles, yeah I might want to drop down some. But my shoulders, elbows and wrists just can't take the weight anymore. And so, I am interested in what this article says.
If you don't die first, you will age. Your body will change. And along with it, your riding requirements are bound to change as well. Unless like I said, unless you die first...
On a windy day if riding 40 or 50 miles, yeah I might want to drop down some. But my shoulders, elbows and wrists just can't take the weight anymore. And so, I am interested in what this article says.
If you don't die first, you will age. Your body will change. And along with it, your riding requirements are bound to change as well. Unless like I said, unless you die first...
Also doesn't have to mean flatbar or beach curiser. Just to start if your HT length is maybe 200 and up yourr going to be upright most the time then a more racy 180 and a bigger ST angle will put you more upright.{at least i think that's how i remember all that stuff**
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Besides the back issue, there's the neck issue. Riding forward as with drop bars, position 1 in the diagram, or even position 2 puts strain on the neck, whereas sitting upright puts zero strain on the neck. I've got a bad neck, and craning up for any length of time hurts my neck a lot. So I use the upright position and occasionally position 2. In terms of my back, I do feel more pressure in my lower back with my upright than my MTB, but it's not painful (as my neck would be on drop bars). My commute is pretty easy, about 4 miles, so thus far an upright hybrid is my choice.
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Seems like the right answer is different postures for different people under different circumstances and different times.
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I'ed like to see the guy who wrote that article sit in a stool with no backrest in the perfect posture position he reccomends for one hour. I bet within twenty minutes he would find himself slouched with his arm or elbow on his leg to support himself.
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Knowing that there is often not one thing that is "right"...is right.
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OK. I did a 23 mile ride yesterday on my straight up and sit 3 speed. I'll be honest and state that my rear end STARTED to bother me at the end. I took my time and didn't do it all in one shot. I have to say the level of discomfort was almost equal to my touring bike. It really depends on your riding style because you don't have to sit through all the pot holes, ruts and bumps.
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Unfortunately I can't read the article (poor eyesite). Anyway I was told just the opposite at the bike shop when looking for my son a bike. He has lower back problems and they recommended not an upright bike because of the pressure it would put on his back.
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I used to love my upright roadsters just as much as I love the more aggressive mountain bikes and even more aggressive set up on my road bike... until I fragged by lower back.
Whereas I could and did take 80-100 mile rides on bikes like my old Raleigh Superbe I cannot ride in this position for very far at all and my bikes (for the most part) have a French fit with a relatively neutral saddle to bar drop to keep me in a comfortable forward riding position when I am on the hoods and still let me get low in the drops.
Whereas I could and did take 80-100 mile rides on bikes like my old Raleigh Superbe I cannot ride in this position for very far at all and my bikes (for the most part) have a French fit with a relatively neutral saddle to bar drop to keep me in a comfortable forward riding position when I am on the hoods and still let me get low in the drops.
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Most people who drive cars aren't "car people", they just drive cars. We're all "bike people", and we're not who he's talking about.
Short trips (as in <5 miles), in town, upright makes sense.
Not that I ever think this will happen in this country.
Short trips (as in <5 miles), in town, upright makes sense.
Not that I ever think this will happen in this country.
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I would also opine that any "upright" bike that still uses a regular bicycle saddle is a waste of your time. The regular bicycle-style saddle is the source of most people's pain complaints. Until you get rid of that, you're still going to have the same butt-pain problems.
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Upright is much more comfortable (if the bike is designed for it!) but IME is slower.
I would also opine that any "upright" bike that still uses a regular bicycle saddle is a waste of your time. The regular bicycle-style saddle is the source of most people's pain complaints. Until you get rid of that, you're still going to have the same butt-pain problems.
I would also opine that any "upright" bike that still uses a regular bicycle saddle is a waste of your time. The regular bicycle-style saddle is the source of most people's pain complaints. Until you get rid of that, you're still going to have the same butt-pain problems.
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I can see that people have different uprights they are talking about. Upright on a Roubaix is different from upright on a Townie, beach cruiser or old Raleigh Superbe.
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Bike ≠ Car ≠ Ped.
Oh, certainly. To a lot of people, a Roubaix is a hunched-over race bike, if for no other reasons than it's got fancy graphics, drop bars, and doesn't look like what Pee Wee Herman rides.
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Wasn't it Ed Pavelka who wrote, "to recline is divine?" That was right before Buycycling canned him, though; so we know what happens to heretics! The only safety bike-type bike I have is my hybrid, and it's set up with about an inch drop from saddle to bars. I would not want it to be much more upright than that.