Considering a used Trek?
12-18-09, 11:21 AM
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Maybe waterrockets should phone the White House. They're still bailing out people who don't deserve it.
Or does WR believe he's "too big to fail"?
Or rather, and more likely: you just have silly expectations of getting a benefit for which you were, by your own words, too frugal to pay.
A joke for Mr. McTrumpy: A guy says to a co-worker "I woke up grumpy today". Co-worker says "Sometimes that happens, but most mornings I can sneak out without waking her up."
That one's for you, love.
Or does WR believe he's "too big to fail"?
Originally Posted by waterrockets
In any event, this just shows that trek has silly service.
A joke for Mr. McTrumpy: A guy says to a co-worker "I woke up grumpy today". Co-worker says "Sometimes that happens, but most mornings I can sneak out without waking her up."
That one's for you, love.
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12-18-09, 11:26 AM
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WR: This may be a dumb question, but why didn't you just JB-Weld it back together and keep riding?
You hear stories about the old TDF where they had to blacksmith themselves a new fork to finish the race... it sounds really pathetic that you had to whine to trek about this...
You hear stories about the old TDF where they had to blacksmith themselves a new fork to finish the race... it sounds really pathetic that you had to whine to trek about this...
12-18-09, 11:29 AM
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A BB shell that can be busted out of the frame with a BB wrench would be a defective frame. Think about the bikes you've had in the past and what chance in hell you have of twisting the BB shell with a wrench.
Then think about the force going through it with a 1750W sprint. Pedaling killed this frame.
A BB shell that can be busted out of the frame with a BB wrench would be a defective frame. Think about the bikes you've had in the past and what chance in hell you have of twisting the BB shell with a wrench.
Then think about the force going through it with a 1750W sprint. Pedaling killed this frame.
And please. I can put out 1750W sprints too. Been doing it to my Madone for the last two years. No issues with my bottom bracket.
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12-18-09, 11:31 AM
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Setting aside the warranty legal issues, which clearly favor Trek, I don't see how this could be classed as a manufacturers defect. The frame lasted for 4 years of racing before wearing out. I would venture that more than meets the design specs that Trek (or any other manufacturer) started with.
They can afford to offer a lifetime warranty only because they know that 90% of their customers are not gonig to be racing and doing 1750W sprints every week. It doesn't make economic sense that they design their bikes to survive a lifetime of racing; that's not their business.
They can afford to offer a lifetime warranty only because they know that 90% of their customers are not gonig to be racing and doing 1750W sprints every week. It doesn't make economic sense that they design their bikes to survive a lifetime of racing; that's not their business.
NOT a design flaw, his just wasn't put together properly.
12-18-09, 11:31 AM
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If you read a bit, you'll know that he tried.
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12-18-09, 11:37 AM
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look @ the BB shell, it's clear he didnt try, or if he did, he didn't try very hard.
WR has a big mouth, you have to take everything he says with a grain of salt. Just because it's on the internet does NOT mean it's true.
12-18-09, 11:50 AM
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Please...a pro race bike is designed to be light and stiff and NOT LAST FOREVER. Even for an amateur slack roundy round 45 minute plus two lap Saturday morning guy. If you want free bikes, get a pro contract.
If you can't afford to race and replace multi-thousand dollar frames and equipment, don't buy that stuff.
Light, strong, cheap. Pick two.
If you can't afford to race and replace multi-thousand dollar frames and equipment, don't buy that stuff.
Light, strong, cheap. Pick two.
12-18-09, 11:55 AM
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Please...a pro race bike is designed to be light and stiff and NOT LAST FOREVER. Even for an amateur slack roundy round 45 minute plus two lap Saturday morning guy. If you want free bikes, get a pro contract.
If you can't afford to race and replace multi-thousand dollar frames and equipment, don't buy that stuff.
Light, strong, cheap. Pick two.
If you can't afford to race and replace multi-thousand dollar frames and equipment, don't buy that stuff.
Light, strong, cheap. Pick two.
Then explain the lifetime warranty roadwarrior... They ARE supposed to last at least 1 lifetime.
12-18-09, 12:05 PM
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It's all about statistics. Most bikes are not ridden by one person their entire life. Like this one. The ones that are, most of them are never ridden hard enough to break down from normal use. Some are crashed (not covered), or simply forgotten in someone's garage. It's like the credit card companies. The people who overuse credit harm the bank. The people who pay off their statements every month are of no use to the bank. But these two extremes are tolerated because the bank knows that most people are 1) carrying a debt on their card, and 2) regularly paying it down (but not off). Warranties are the same way. Most warranty policies are never used. A few are abused, but this is tolerated to keep customer loyalty.
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
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12-18-09, 12:09 PM
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Waterrockets is a standup guy, who I respect to the utmost and happen to disagree with on this particular issue. He tried re-gluing the sleeve. With a framebuilder's help. The repair didn't hold. Get off it.
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
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12-18-09, 12:26 PM
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I completely agree with you that Trek should not warranty a bike before WR puts some elbow grease into it and try to fix it. I mean, the first line of defense should be the consumer, not the manufacturer.
That said, I ALSO agree with you that WR is a standup guy, but you have to admit he runs his mouth a lot on this forum. Half of what he says is correct, the other half incorrect. Like all his strategy for a 1km win... it's all bull**** because no one else can DO THAT. So IMO he's working at chance (50/50) but I respect his dedication to this forum and the advice (however helpful it is) that he's willing to give to newbies.
12-18-09, 12:42 PM
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WR just wanted to post to his power #s for all you freds in the 41 to drool over.
dude's so powerful he broke a bottom bracket, that's like dunking and smashing the glass in a backboard!
dude's so powerful he broke a bottom bracket, that's like dunking and smashing the glass in a backboard!
12-18-09, 12:49 PM
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No, they're expected to last the lifetime of a recreational rider. As I suggested way in the beginning of this thread, this bike has seen probably more miles than 99% of all the other identical bikes Trek sells. Trek can afford this, as long as they can reasonably rely on brand loyalty when the racer buys his second or third bike.
It's all about statistics. Most bikes are not ridden by one person their entire life. Like this one. The ones that are, most of them are never ridden hard enough to break down from normal use. Some are crashed (not covered), or simply forgotten in someone's garage. It's like the credit card companies. The people who overuse credit harm the bank. The people who pay off their statements every month are of no use to the bank. But these two extremes are tolerated because the bank knows that most people are 1) carrying a debt on their card, and 2) regularly paying it down (but not off). Warranties are the same way. Most warranty policies are never used. A few are abused, but this is tolerated to keep customer loyalty.
It's all about statistics. Most bikes are not ridden by one person their entire life. Like this one. The ones that are, most of them are never ridden hard enough to break down from normal use. Some are crashed (not covered), or simply forgotten in someone's garage. It's like the credit card companies. The people who overuse credit harm the bank. The people who pay off their statements every month are of no use to the bank. But these two extremes are tolerated because the bank knows that most people are 1) carrying a debt on their card, and 2) regularly paying it down (but not off). Warranties are the same way. Most warranty policies are never used. A few are abused, but this is tolerated to keep customer loyalty.
Thanks for entering a dose of sensibility here.
12-18-09, 12:51 PM
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12-18-09, 12:52 PM
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I snapped the hub in my back wheel. Broke it so when I spun the cranks, the chain would spin with the casette, but it was snapped off so the wheel would not turn. That was a retail wheelset for about $1,500.
Stuff happens.
12-18-09, 12:53 PM
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I completely agree with you that Trek should not warranty a bike before WR puts some elbow grease into it and try to fix it. I mean, the first line of defense should be the consumer, not the manufacturer.
That said, I ALSO agree with you that WR is a standup guy, but you have to admit he runs his mouth a lot on this forum. Half of what he says is correct, the other half incorrect. Like all his strategy for a 1km win... it's all bull**** because no one else can DO THAT. So IMO he's working at chance (50/50) but I respect his dedication to this forum and the advice (however helpful it is) that he's willing to give to newbies.
That said, I ALSO agree with you that WR is a standup guy, but you have to admit he runs his mouth a lot on this forum. Half of what he says is correct, the other half incorrect. Like all his strategy for a 1km win... it's all bull**** because no one else can DO THAT. So IMO he's working at chance (50/50) but I respect his dedication to this forum and the advice (however helpful it is) that he's willing to give to newbies.
As for his 1k strategy, we have a guy on my team who puts out very similar #'s as WR, he usually takes off with 1k to go as well. Sometimes he wins, sometimes he gets caught. I would say a lot of strategy in winning bike races is a chance, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Now let's get back to arguing about warranties and bashing Trek