I Said I Would Never EVER Buy An E-Bike...but
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Now there will be an ebike race series starting next year.
https://www.techradar.com/news/new-e...treets-in-2022
https://www.techradar.com/news/new-e...treets-in-2022
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EDIT; The only difference I feel is, In my mind, (knowing I am being "assisted") everything else is 100% the same... So, to "justify" the assist I calculate the assist form the motor, and bingo. I KNOW that if I ride 100Km, I actually only rode 70KM under my own steam.... THAT is the only difference with an EU 350Watt system, as to what happens in any particular ride, on average...
EDIT 2: as for going big, I am 100% sure it WILL be way more fun riding that E-Bike rather than a smaller E-Assist E-Bike,.. But, the satisfaction of the ride will not match the satisfaction of a ride where you actually still put in 70% of the "effort"... JMO after riding my "E-assist" bike for the last 10 Years.
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wee went on a ride on out e tandem I mean car. somehow I got a pretty good heart rate going with around 135 most of the time a lot of climbing. when we got to the last leg onto the bike path my Bosch computer showed 9 miles range left but with the fast bike path with a fair amount 1% negative grade it went up to 23 and we did the tide on one battery. somehow my garmin and my bosch computer must be lying how can a car get your heart rate up?
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wee went on a ride on out e tandem I mean car. somehow I got a pretty good heart rate going with around 135 most of the time a lot of climbing. when we got to the last leg onto the bike path my Bosch computer showed 9 miles range left but with the fast bike path with a fair amount 1% negative grade it went up to 23 and we did the tide on one battery. somehow my garmin and my bosch computer must be lying how can a car get your heart rate up?
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How do you feel about the new wave of ultra-light e-road bikes? They are not all about power, they are about providing a very subtle and natural feeling power assistance level for those who might want or need it. They are getting quite popular in alpine areas for older guys and those who simply want to extend their rides in the summer heat without exhausting themselves.
While we still have plenty of strength and power to hold our own on climbs and in fast pace lines, when we start falling off the back and forcing others to wait, that’ll be the time for one of these lightweight road bikes with e-assist.
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Sounds good in theory, but guess what, real life interferes and guess what,, a 250/350watt E-Assist bike works wonders, like it did for me, for the last 10 years, I have gotten to ride my E-Assist bike just like my regular bike, instead of just calling it quits... or.. riding a moped...
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I’ve been having these e-bike conversations with fellow ride buddies who are at or near Medicare age.
While we still have plenty of strength and power to hold our own on climbs and in fast pace lines, when we start falling off the back and forcing others to wait, that’ll be the time for one of these lightweight road bikes with e-assist.
While we still have plenty of strength and power to hold our own on climbs and in fast pace lines, when we start falling off the back and forcing others to wait, that’ll be the time for one of these lightweight road bikes with e-assist.
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Same situation with my riding group. We are probably slower overall because the guys are in their 70s when they begin having trouble. Several have gone to ebikes and continue riding with the same group. We are happy to have them. Sometimes they will flaunt their motors and zoom up a hill but we all get a laugh out of it. A number of folks have dropped back to slower groups so they can continue to ride their regular bikes. Not sure what path I'll take. Hopefully I can put the decision off for another couple of years, there are still a few slower than me.
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I’ve been having these e-bike conversations with fellow ride buddies who are at or near Medicare age.
While we still have plenty of strength and power to hold our own on climbs and in fast pace lines, when we start falling off the back and forcing others to wait, that’ll be the time for one of these lightweight road bikes with e-assist.
While we still have plenty of strength and power to hold our own on climbs and in fast pace lines, when we start falling off the back and forcing others to wait, that’ll be the time for one of these lightweight road bikes with e-assist.
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It's not a theory. It's the way my brain works. As I get older, I just use lower gears and ride slower. I literally have zero interest in motor-doping. Someday I won't be able to ride a bike anymore, and I'll find something else to do. It's not that big of a deal to me.
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Old enough, hmmm?
I’ve been having these e-bike conversations with fellow ride buddies who are at or near Medicare age.
While we still have plenty of strength and power to hold our own on climbs and in fast pace lines, when we start falling off the back and forcing others to wait, that’ll be the time for one of these lightweight road bikes with e-assist.
While we still have plenty of strength and power to hold our own on climbs and in fast pace lines, when we start falling off the back and forcing others to wait, that’ll be the time for one of these lightweight road bikes with e-assist.
Had to look up when medicare age starts.
I'm past that point by 11 years and I really like to catch and pass those e-bikers on our Okangan Rail Trail.
e.g. https://vimeo.com/578840723 on a little test run to get the Action Cam issues sorted.
PS Here in Canada we start drawing "Old Age Pension" at that age. Doesn't equate throwing the towel.
Cheers
HJ
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Motor-doping is irrelevant if you are not competing. It only requires a literal lateral thought to make a link between lower gearing and a little motor-assist. They amount to the same thing essentially, except you don't have to ride slower. But yeah, you can just stop riding if you prefer.
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Old enough, hmmm?
You know how that goes when philosophy enters the picture.
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Wow. That's a leap I wasn't expecting. Now electric motors are the same thing as lower gears? I don't even have a response for someone who thinks lower gearing and an electric motor are essentially the same thing. To me they are so obviously fundamentally different that it is beyond my comprehension that someone could equate the two.
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Wow. That's a leap I wasn't expecting. Now electric motors are the same thing as lower gears? I don't even have a response for someone who thinks lower gearing and an electric motor are essentially the same thing. To me they are so obviously fundamentally different that it is beyond my comprehension that someone could equate the two.
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It's NOT the same, but id does/can, have the same "effect"... One is mechanical advantage the other is motorized advantage, Both "allow/assist" a rider that let's say can't/couldn't make it up a hill, to make it up that hill... When using either "advantage" compared to lets say when riding a single speed, that the rider could not make it up that hill with .
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Wow. That's a leap I wasn't expecting. Now electric motors are the same thing as lower gears? I don't even have a response for someone who thinks lower gearing and an electric motor are essentially the same thing. To me they are so obviously fundamentally different that it is beyond my comprehension that someone could equate the two.
I’m not saying gears and motors are the same thing. I’m saying that as your legs start to fail you and you start riding slower in a lower gear, you have the alternative option of riding in your original gear with a small motor assist. It would actually be more like your current riding experience as you would be riding at the same speed and perceived effort (if you keep the assist level low). Or of course you could get a massive motor and throttle, which would be a completely different experience.
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It's NOT the same, but id does/can, have the same "effect"... One is mechanical advantage the other is motorized advantage, Both "allow/assist" a rider that let's say can't/couldn't make it up a hill, to make it up that hill... When using either "advantage" compared to lets say when riding a single speed, that the rider could not make it up that hill with .
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Please explain what part on my statement is Incorrect... I agree it is not the same thing, using a motor compared to using gears... But the "results" have the "same effects". IMO
EDIT; and I am talking 350 Watts or less... any more and the "effect" IS different, it is no longer an "assist" it is a motorized bicycle making the pedaling of the bicycle .not necessary, where as you still must pedal with a 350 watts assist or go nowhere...
EDIT; and I am talking 350 Watts or less... any more and the "effect" IS different, it is no longer an "assist" it is a motorized bicycle making the pedaling of the bicycle .not necessary, where as you still must pedal with a 350 watts assist or go nowhere...
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Motor-doping is irrelevant if you are not competing. It only requires a literal lateral thought to make a link between lower gearing and a little motor-assist. They amount to the same thing essentially, except you don't have to ride slower. But yeah, you can just stop riding if you prefer.
Touch, feel and perceived emotional satisfaction are the most important issues to me on a bicycle. If those issues are not met to my satisfaction, I am out of there.
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Human power is human power. Motors are motors. They are totally different things. If we don't agree on that basic fundamental premise, I don't know how to respond. Have fun on your ebikes, and please be courteous when you pass us old guys on the bike path riding slow on bikes with low gears. This discussion has been very enlightening for me. I didn't understand the appeal of ebikes other than for commuting before. It never occurred to me that there are people in the world who think motors are essentially the same thing as gears. That explains a lot. I don't agree with you, but at least I understand where you are coming from.
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Human power is human power. Motors are motors. They are totally different things. If we don't agree on that basic fundamental premise, I don't know how to respond. Have fun on your ebikes, and please be courteous when you pass us old guys on the bike path riding slow on bikes with low gears. This discussion has been very enlightening for me. I didn't understand the appeal of ebikes other than for commuting before. It never occurred to me that there are people in the world who think motors are essentially the same thing as gears. That explains a lot. I don't agree with you, but at least I understand where you are coming from.