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12-18-13, 05:54 AM
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it is in perfect condition
12-18-13, 06:46 AM
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Well, I use the 1/8" tolerance all the time, its the standard architectural allowance for C.M.U. and masonry walls in building construction for D.O.D. construction (as well as all general construction,) also used for GWB wall construction, both over a 10' span. If I had to inspect a piece of tubing in a mechanical system with a 1/8" bow in it I would question why the construction was running less than true, vertical or horizontal. A Machinery's Handbook, 27th edition, shoots this one down right off. File a claim and stand by your position. Thanks for the ID on the seller, one that I'll avoid in the future, if necessary.
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12-18-13, 07:10 AM
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I'm not questioning your expertize regarding frames, but have you taken it to a professional bike shop to use their gadgets that they have to determine the frames straightness? I ask because I posted a thread about my vintage Pogliaghi, and some members were adamant that the fork was bent! I took it to several shops, and a Professional collector that has been collecting/selling for over 20 years, and they all confirmed that the fork was not bent! I would give that a try! All the best!
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12-18-13, 07:32 AM
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I find it highly interesting that he does not make mention that "1/8 inch is within normal tolerances" (did he make that up? Probably - after all, 65% of all statistics are made up on the spot) anywhere in his auction write-up. File a claim - and thanks for sharing the perpetrator. Lying by omission is still lying.
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One of my favorite bullcrap lines is "its a proven fact". Anyone using that phrase to me, I know two things for sure: its not proven and its not a fact.
If it were me, that bend would bother me every time I looked at that bike. No way I could keep it.
File an ebay claim and return it.
12-18-13, 07:51 AM
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At first glance I would have said it came from the practice of sitleaning on the TT before or after a ride but in this pic you can you can see something may be up with the middle cable guide
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12-18-13, 08:15 AM
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I find it highly interesting that he does not make mention that "1/8 inch is within normal tolerances" (did he make that up? Probably - after all, 65% of all statistics are made up on the spot) anywhere in his auction write-up. File a claim - and thanks for sharing the perpetrator. Lying by omission is still lying.
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12-18-13, 08:18 AM
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12-18-13, 01:07 PM
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It's otherwise an attractive bike but I would just send it back. You'll never be happy with it and the seller should make amends for his scam.
12-18-13, 01:16 PM
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Reminds me of the ebay seller who sold me a pair of "aluminum alloy" fenders. They were steel. His reply: they're aluminum colored and steel is an alloy. 
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12-18-13, 01:30 PM
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Personally, I would not bid with such a seller unless I could do a local pickup.
12-18-13, 01:34 PM
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Maybe the frame is still repairable??....if it is non-heat treated SLX family tubing (Reynolds 753 is the one that's heat treated and cannot be cold set).... With maybe a bit of careful manual "coaxing"??
1/8" isn't that much and maybe a couple of blocks of wood and some clamps can coax the TT back to near perfect cylindrical....
If it is reparable, you might just ask for the "appropriate" amount of money back and end up with a bargain if it is repaired....
Just thinking of what other options you might have....
1/8" isn't that much and maybe a couple of blocks of wood and some clamps can coax the TT back to near perfect cylindrical....
If it is reparable, you might just ask for the "appropriate" amount of money back and end up with a bargain if it is repaired....
Just thinking of what other options you might have....
12-18-13, 01:38 PM
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You might also try asking the framebuilders forum here what they think.
Is the frame otherwise in alignment?
Is the frame otherwise in alignment?
12-18-13, 01:46 PM
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Maybe the frame is still repairable??....if it is non-heat treated SLX family tubing (Reynolds 753 is the one that's heat treated and cannot be cold set).... With maybe a bit of careful manual "coaxing"??
1/8" isn't that much and maybe a couple of blocks of wood and some clamps can coax the TT back to near perfect cylindrical....
If it is reparable, you might just ask for the "appropriate" amount of money back and end up with a bargain if it is repaired....
Just thinking of what other options you might have....
1/8" isn't that much and maybe a couple of blocks of wood and some clamps can coax the TT back to near perfect cylindrical....
If it is reparable, you might just ask for the "appropriate" amount of money back and end up with a bargain if it is repaired....
Just thinking of what other options you might have....
The frame blocks by Paragon Machine Works are very nice for restoring the tubing to its original round shape (Search "rolling" frame tubes) but not with a cable guide in the way. I'm guessing that three sets of frame blocks and a good stout C-clamp in the hands of an experienced frame builder could bring the tube back to straight. But between the straightening, cable guide removal and replacement, and the repaint I would certainly be expecting a very hefty refund from the seller.
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12-18-13, 02:09 PM
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He knew the frame was bent, that is why he an answer so quickly. Bike was most likely in an accident. If the frame appeared bent he should of put it in his ad, along with his glib phoney answer,,,take steps to get your money back.
12-18-13, 02:10 PM
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I think you are right.
The frame blocks by Paragon Machine Works are very nice for restoring the tubing to its original round shape (Search "rolling" frame tubes) but not with a cable guide in the way. I'm guessing that three sets of frame blocks and a good stout C-clamp in the hands of an experienced frame builder could bring the tube back to straight. But between the straightening, cable guide removal and replacement, and the repaint I would certainly be expecting a very hefty refund from the seller.
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The frame blocks by Paragon Machine Works are very nice for restoring the tubing to its original round shape (Search "rolling" frame tubes) but not with a cable guide in the way. I'm guessing that three sets of frame blocks and a good stout C-clamp in the hands of an experienced frame builder could bring the tube back to straight. But between the straightening, cable guide removal and replacement, and the repaint I would certainly be expecting a very hefty refund from the seller.
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12-18-13, 02:48 PM
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Dropping serious $$$ on an item from a seller with zero feedback is very risky. As a 13 year long time seller, I will go the extra mile to keep a buyer happy. Someone with zero feedback can just drop his ebay account, and then have his wife sign up later.
Personally, I would not bid with such a seller unless I could do a local pickup.
Personally, I would not bid with such a seller unless I could do a local pickup.
The only way you can get screwed is on the shipping if the seller has set up the returns as, "Paid by buyer".
12-18-13, 05:41 PM
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Remember that thread on what you like and don't like about ebay not too long ago.
This is what I don't like. To a greater or lesser extent, it happens all the time.
This is what I don't like. To a greater or lesser extent, it happens all the time.
12-18-13, 06:35 PM
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Im with bianchi girl, from looking at it you can tell it had a problem thats the reason maybe nobody bid to it, to me the bigger second flag to do not bid is the fact that the paint job is relatively new. That's not a bike that is mint, never seen a gueccioti with that paint job just to star, and to me thats a repainted frame, when? who knows. How the tube got oval? no idea, people does the weirdest things to their frames and probably this one was clamped too much in the bike stand????
Fill up a claim with ebay and get your money back.
For the ones thinking in getting this fixed, pretty much can be fixed, is not that hard if you know what are you doing. The top tube needs to be replaced, maybe a 300 to 400 bucks job depending on the builder. For a 700 bucks bike dont worth it you know. Thats the problem with old bikes, a frame worth to be fixed based in uniqueness and price, but since that frame pretty much can be found quite often IMO don't worth the time wasted.
You have like 400 bucks worth of parts in there, if you need a donor bike great.
Another option is to ask a partial refund, maybe like 150 or 250 arguing that you have to fix it, if the guy gives you the money back, keep the parts, sell the frame for 50 bucks and keep the fork or sell the fork for 150, and use the parts in another bike or sell the the parts, that bike worth more in parts anyways.
Good luck.
Fill up a claim with ebay and get your money back.
For the ones thinking in getting this fixed, pretty much can be fixed, is not that hard if you know what are you doing. The top tube needs to be replaced, maybe a 300 to 400 bucks job depending on the builder. For a 700 bucks bike dont worth it you know. Thats the problem with old bikes, a frame worth to be fixed based in uniqueness and price, but since that frame pretty much can be found quite often IMO don't worth the time wasted.
You have like 400 bucks worth of parts in there, if you need a donor bike great.
Another option is to ask a partial refund, maybe like 150 or 250 arguing that you have to fix it, if the guy gives you the money back, keep the parts, sell the frame for 50 bucks and keep the fork or sell the fork for 150, and use the parts in another bike or sell the the parts, that bike worth more in parts anyways.
Good luck.
12-18-13, 07:30 PM
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Im with bianchi girl, from looking at it you can tell it had a problem thats the reason maybe nobody bid to it, to me the bigger second flag to do not bid is the fact that the paint job is relatively new. That's not a bike that is mint, never seen a gueccioti with that paint job just to star, and to me thats a repainted frame, when? who knows. How the tube got oval? no idea, people does the weirdest things to their frames and probably this one was clamped too much in the bike stand????
Fill up a claim with ebay and get your money back.
For the ones thinking in getting this fixed, pretty much can be fixed, is not that hard if you know what are you doing. The top tube needs to be replaced, maybe a 300 to 400 bucks job depending on the builder. For a 700 bucks bike dont worth it you know. Thats the problem with old bikes, a frame worth to be fixed based in uniqueness and price, but since that frame pretty much can be found quite often IMO don't worth the time wasted.
You have like 400 bucks worth of parts in there, if you need a donor bike great.
Another option is to ask a partial refund, maybe like 150 or 250 arguing that you have to fix it, if the guy gives you the money back, keep the parts, sell the frame for 50 bucks and keep the fork or sell the fork for 150, and use the parts in another bike or sell the the parts, that bike worth more in parts anyways.
Good luck.
Fill up a claim with ebay and get your money back.
For the ones thinking in getting this fixed, pretty much can be fixed, is not that hard if you know what are you doing. The top tube needs to be replaced, maybe a 300 to 400 bucks job depending on the builder. For a 700 bucks bike dont worth it you know. Thats the problem with old bikes, a frame worth to be fixed based in uniqueness and price, but since that frame pretty much can be found quite often IMO don't worth the time wasted.
You have like 400 bucks worth of parts in there, if you need a donor bike great.
Another option is to ask a partial refund, maybe like 150 or 250 arguing that you have to fix it, if the guy gives you the money back, keep the parts, sell the frame for 50 bucks and keep the fork or sell the fork for 150, and use the parts in another bike or sell the the parts, that bike worth more in parts anyways.
Good luck.
actually that is a factory paint job the ten speed imports sticker is still on it and if ten speed repainted any frames they would have put a Columbus sticker with a red line across it showing it was a repaint ............. and I filed a case already (just have to wait my 48 hours) I used paypal buyers credit and since the seller only had a feedback score of 2 the seller does not get their money for 7 days after delivery conformation or positive feedback left by buyer ( new rule by ebay)
12-18-13, 07:40 PM
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Never seen one with that paint job, as for the columbus decal well... that you repaint something doesnt mean you will put the columbus decal saying that is a respray my friend. You are assuming they would but so far even those respray columbus decals are harder to get than the real ones 
But well, I think you did the right thing.
Did not know that new ebay rule, that sucks for a seller. And what happens if the buyer forget to give you feedback? Paypal and ebay screw you up till the system release the funds or something?
But well, I think you did the right thing.Did not know that new ebay rule, that sucks for a seller. And what happens if the buyer forget to give you feedback? Paypal and ebay screw you up till the system release the funds or something?
12-18-13, 07:42 PM
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I think you are right.
The frame blocks by Paragon Machine Works are very nice for restoring the tubing to its original round shape (Search "rolling" frame tubes) but not with a cable guide in the way. I'm guessing that three sets of frame blocks and a good stout C-clamp in the hands of an experienced frame builder could bring the tube back to straight. But between the straightening, cable guide removal and replacement, and the repaint I would certainly be expecting a very hefty refund from the seller.
Brent
The frame blocks by Paragon Machine Works are very nice for restoring the tubing to its original round shape (Search "rolling" frame tubes) but not with a cable guide in the way. I'm guessing that three sets of frame blocks and a good stout C-clamp in the hands of an experienced frame builder could bring the tube back to straight. But between the straightening, cable guide removal and replacement, and the repaint I would certainly be expecting a very hefty refund from the seller.
Brent
here is the underside of the top tube (note the flat spots ) failed attempt to repair bend? which would explain the oval area in the tube ...... the seller did note this area in his description ....."There are a couple of small paint rubs on the underside of the top tube from the bike being stored on a storage rack" paint rubs ??? .................... I am pretty well covered on this and this post is just to humor my fellow cyclists during the winter months .....since the sellers response to ebay was ...." I pride myself on my bike collection and would NEVER sell something damaged or bent or broken or un-rideable."
12-18-13, 07:50 PM
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Never seen one with that paint job, as for the columbus decal well... that you repaint something doesnt mean you will put the columbus decal saying that is a respray my friend. You are assuming they would but so far even those respray columbus decals are harder to get than the real ones But well, I think you did the right thing.
Did not know that new ebay rule, that sucks for a seller. And what happens if the buyer forget to give you feedback? Paypal and ebay screw you up till the system release the funds or something?
But well, I think you did the right thing.Did not know that new ebay rule, that sucks for a seller. And what happens if the buyer forget to give you feedback? Paypal and ebay screw you up till the system release the funds or something?
ten speed imports did ...they had the sales contract with Guerciotti to paint and decal all their frames and as far as I am pretty sure all repaints were given the striped decal
12-18-13, 08:18 PM
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Ouch!
I think you are probably right. Someone attempted to straighten the tube without first clamping it in blocks to prevent further deformation.
But don't you know? The tolerance for "paint rub" is 1/8" deep!
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I think you are probably right. Someone attempted to straighten the tube without first clamping it in blocks to prevent further deformation.
But don't you know? The tolerance for "paint rub" is 1/8" deep!
Brent