calstar 

exactly

Kedosto

TiHabanero

Wise choice, Kedosto. All forms of social media are huge time wasters including Bikeforums, however it is the one platform I allow myself access as there is a huge amount of information on this site, and questions are almost always answered in a respectful way.

I know a lot of guys that I raced with use Strava. They are no longer competitive on the circuit, but they have this urge to be competitive with someone and Strava is the outlet for it. The blunt truth is that they are no longer able to effectively race and this gives their egos a boost. Silly, but true, and one has to agree when one hears them brag about the killer Strava segment they did this weekend, etc. What a bunch of nonsense. Washed up Cat 3 racers still have egos that need caressing once a week.

CliffordK

That sounds like a tough climb.

But, why not "friend" the guy. And, then see if you can actually meet him for a ride.

You'll learn a lot about the cyclist by looking at some of his other rides.

What happens to all the PRO cyclists when they get older?

BlazingPedals

Every time I get a KOM around here, the local race team goes after it as a group. Not really fair, since paceline riding is several mph faster; but that's the way it is pretty much everywhere I've ever ridden. KOMs are generally owned by people sprinting off the front of a paceline.

They are what they are. Does owning one significantly improve your love life or something?

caloso

Doge

Yes, my wife knowing my kid put up a KOM significantly improved my love life for a few days or so. I periodically have to remind he.

For all us 2nd half of the [age] century folks, or just speaking for myself, posting on BikeForums has little to do with riding. I ride when I ride, then work at the same desk I post from. I like Strava. I like to follow others. I started a Strava thread somewhere. I don't like virtual rides and electric bikes, recumbent's / alternative bikes, or anything not really legal for racing in the country they were posted on there (without being labeled as such) but you can pretty much tell what is what. Motor pacing, group rides, wind aided, PED assisted all count I think.

caloso

indyfabz

Don't feed wildlife.

CliffordK

Last summer, a group of Bike Forum members headed down south to try for the Hour Record.

Taking a crack at the hour record

I don't see notes in the 75+ age group, but in the 70-75 age group, they posted a record at 43 km in an hour (26.7 MPH).

Of course, that is on a track, but WHEW!!! Hardly believable!!!

I'd hate to meet some of those riders on hill climbs.

BlazingPedals

It's unfair because, like motor pacing, you're not cutting your own air for the whole segment. Or, at minimum, you get a head start on speed by drafting someone else. So you're relying on someone else to do at least part of the work.

downhillmaster

CliffordK

The guy the OP cited is pounding the pavement uphill. Perhaps at a speed when a draft would help, but he still is pounding hard uphill.

I try to find wind neutral times to push for PR's on my segments, especially since I'm often competing against myself, but a few of my fastest segments were wind favorable. BAD?

I have another segment where one can either transition from flat to the hill climb, or small descent to the hill climb. Is that cheating?

One of the segments I've defined is a simple out and back. I still think there may be benefits of the perfect wind, but rather minimal, unless one hits it right as the wind is dying down, or in a circular rotation.

Doge

Many KOMs are groups based. The Solo KOMs will be way down the list. You can kinda guess as no one else is riding at that time. Then you use the group to get the KOM. These are pretty popular and there are simple tricks to it.

Doge

I guess it depends on the segment and attempts. In my book you need to be on a race legal road bike doing race legal things. So taking a little draft from passing cars is fine, sitting behind them as they pace you is not. I live in an area where motor pacing is often done for training and often gets posted. They are not cheating. If they take a KOM of significance doing that, I don't think it is cool. Most significant thing around here is bikes in car taking KOMs that need flagging. I don't know why Strava can't see when a large attempted KOM is taken by several mph that it is obviously a car. The electric bikes should be flagged.

BengalCat

It's a Category 3 climb. Sorry for the mental typo. Here is the guy's data for the full ride not just the 5.08 climb at the end of the ride. Bottom line for me and after checking with some others in the "neighborhood" the numbers and other evidence don't add up.

HTupolev

If anything, it's easier to sustain high power on a climb. There's less need to worry about posture aerodynamics when climbing, and some people find that effects of steep gradient on inertia can ease the production of torque.

When people find it more difficult to sustain high power on a climb, it's usually because of gearing bottom-out. But that's an issue that can be avoided with an appropriate bicycle configuration.

124Spider

I find Zwift and Strava fun, but only for a platform, not for caring about what others claim to do.

As for your old fart rider, I don't believe (i) he has a heart rate that high, (ii) can sustain that kind of power for that long, and (iii) if he did sustain that amount of power for that long, that he'd end up with a highly-anemic 118 watts of power average for the entire ride.

But why care?

rm -rf

I don't understand what this thread is about.

This ride seems quite believable. The max heartrate of 207 is odd, but I often get some readings like that near the beginning of a ride, due to static electricity from my jersey.
152 watts weighted average is very good, yet still in a range that seems very possible for a rider that is in his mid 70s.

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I'll skip the max HR data. It could just be reporting bad numbers from the HR strap.
Do you think it's actually a different very young rider with that high heart rate? A "Rent a KOM rider" service!

232 watts for 20 minutes is strong, but not unbelievable.
Then the 187 watts on descent is very good. I find that I often use much less power on descents, it's easy to slack off (or save the effort for the rest of the ride) and still have a quite fast speed. So if he kept the effort high, that might explain a downhill KOM. Favorable wind etc, too.

It's easy to hit 800 watts peak. I'm not strong, and I do that on many rides, just by standing up and doing two or three very hard pedal strokes.

caloso

Doge

What does not add up? Is there a little lightning bolt by the power? If not, it is a Strava calc.
I think the 207 max HR is a spike. The 136 HR Ave seems pretty real. The 152W real. The 77 Cadence for a older guy - right on. That temperature tho.

Doge

I'm 58, I can guess my max is above 1,500W. I hit 1,400 sometimes looking after the fact. I can see things dropping a bit, but 800W peaks at 75 are not in anyway astounding. I'll wait 15 years and post, but think I will not be dropping 40% by then - if I don't hang it up.

Machka 

So**********

Do you not have a life? Is that it?

What I find unbelievable is that you care about this so much.

Go ride your bicycle!

downhillmaster

KraneXL

Now that's disappointing to hear you say that. You should know by now that others are always watching (and being influenced by) you.