I was watching "Hoarders" on TV.............
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I'm not a hoarder, I consider myself a collector, and part time flipper. Every thing is quite organized, but to the laymen's eyes, I have too much bike stuff. It is funny (and sad) how a few neighbors came into the garage when I wasn't there, but my wife was parking her car (in the garage!) and gasped at the number of bikes and wheels. One had the nerve to ask, "And you put up with all this?!?" My wife rebutted that there's no problem, I had all this stuff before we got married, and that there's 6 more frames in boxes in the corner. That kind a put the brakes on where they were trying to take the conversation. Dissing on husbands. It's really none of their business, but you can never make these people realize that. I've also gotten the "Why would anyone need more than 1 bike?" Or, "Bikes are for kids."
I agree with Thrifty Bill, I now try to keep my garage door closed from prying eyes. Funny thing is compared to most of the garages here, ours is not full of ***** and inaccessible. Just contains the 'wrong' stuff. So, we're now the eccentric family on our street.
I agree with Thrifty Bill, I now try to keep my garage door closed from prying eyes. Funny thing is compared to most of the garages here, ours is not full of ***** and inaccessible. Just contains the 'wrong' stuff. So, we're now the eccentric family on our street.
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Another place I bought out was pretty much a private museum of old bikes and toys, the guy passed away and his kids sold the whole lot for scrap prices just to get the building and house empty to sell. That one was another two full truck loads and three 40' shipping containers full of old bikes and parts from the 20's to the mid 60's. Surprisingly enough though the items that sold for the most money back then were the kids toys, more specifically the pedal cars.
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I cycle between two extremes.
It starts with a surplus of bike parts, wheels, tires, chains - possibly from upgrades or buying an extra item on sale. I might pick up one or more Craiglist or free bikes.
Next, my bike fund is waning and items are clogging the work and storage area. I'll then see a new or different bike frameset and/or donor bike - and start thinking - "all I need is this frame and a rear derailleur and I can build a road/tri/cross/mtb bike". I pick up the frame and start ordering items.
As I wait I'll determine that some planned parts won't work - but if I order more I can make a second bike.
The parts and projects pile up - I have no room to store partially restored bikes. I suffer stress.
I start working off the bikes. First one, then another gets completed and posted on Craigslist. I sell them and start working on the remainder.
Eventually the last bike is sold. My bike fund is healthy.
I feel tense. The bike fund bloats my wallet and starts burning a hole. I start looking at component sales and double point events. All my bikes are tuned, cleaned, and waiting. I feel empty, I suffer stress.
I start trading, buying, putting out posters asking for bikes.
I move back to step one and repeat.....
It starts with a surplus of bike parts, wheels, tires, chains - possibly from upgrades or buying an extra item on sale. I might pick up one or more Craiglist or free bikes.
Next, my bike fund is waning and items are clogging the work and storage area. I'll then see a new or different bike frameset and/or donor bike - and start thinking - "all I need is this frame and a rear derailleur and I can build a road/tri/cross/mtb bike". I pick up the frame and start ordering items.
As I wait I'll determine that some planned parts won't work - but if I order more I can make a second bike.
The parts and projects pile up - I have no room to store partially restored bikes. I suffer stress.
I start working off the bikes. First one, then another gets completed and posted on Craigslist. I sell them and start working on the remainder.
Eventually the last bike is sold. My bike fund is healthy.
I feel tense. The bike fund bloats my wallet and starts burning a hole. I start looking at component sales and double point events. All my bikes are tuned, cleaned, and waiting. I feel empty, I suffer stress.
I start trading, buying, putting out posters asking for bikes.
I move back to step one and repeat.....
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I've studied what drives this C&V bike psychosis, where we need to have not one but several, or several dozen bikes, and I've concluded that it is nothing less than a very powerful and primordial hunter-gatherer instinct surfacing in us.
"Back in the day" - I mean WWAAAYY back in the day, our tribe relied upon us to hunt and gather, to provide sustenance.
Life was tough!
- There was no eBay or Craig's list or even a thrift store where we could buy mammoths, pterodactyls or brontosauruses, so we spent even more time then stalking such dangerous quarry as we do today looking for "killer deals".
Meanwhile, our wives would stay back in the cave, cleaning, minding the kids and cooking bronto-burgers in anxious anticipation of our return home. - And they NEVER complained about how many things we brought home either. No siree... (We were very chauvinistic back them. )
These instincts carry over in us today, but manifest themselves in other ways. Did you ever notice how your pulse will quicken, and how you will start to perspire, whenever you see that primo Italian road bike for $20 ? - Indeed, it has to be something innate in us, to elicit such a strong physiological response to an external stimulus, such as a simple CL advert!
Obviously - one must conclude that having a lot of bikes is essential to the human condition, and I have no doubt that if this impulse is denied, our very well-being, and that of civilization will most certainly suffer.
"Back in the day" - I mean WWAAAYY back in the day, our tribe relied upon us to hunt and gather, to provide sustenance.
Life was tough!
- There was no eBay or Craig's list or even a thrift store where we could buy mammoths, pterodactyls or brontosauruses, so we spent even more time then stalking such dangerous quarry as we do today looking for "killer deals".
Meanwhile, our wives would stay back in the cave, cleaning, minding the kids and cooking bronto-burgers in anxious anticipation of our return home. - And they NEVER complained about how many things we brought home either. No siree... (We were very chauvinistic back them. )
These instincts carry over in us today, but manifest themselves in other ways. Did you ever notice how your pulse will quicken, and how you will start to perspire, whenever you see that primo Italian road bike for $20 ? - Indeed, it has to be something innate in us, to elicit such a strong physiological response to an external stimulus, such as a simple CL advert!
Obviously - one must conclude that having a lot of bikes is essential to the human condition, and I have no doubt that if this impulse is denied, our very well-being, and that of civilization will most certainly suffer.
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The equation will be of little value unless we can apply the Holtzman effect - "S" is really a factor of folding space, not really a matter of what it contains or its volume - Further more all income is disposable - Just look how much of it is disposed of before it ever crosses our hands... Maybe I should have gotten into micro folding bikes... Nano Bikes???
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I think the "hunter-gatherer" metaphor is flawed.
You don't eat bikes. You only need one bike to get to the hunting grounds.
In the Italian film "the Bicycle Thief" the protagonist can support his family, post WWII, because of his bicycle. Once it is stolen from him, he can no longer work. He spends the remainder of the film searching for his, or another.
I think it is more a condition of the luxury of variety, and having an almost endless choice in our rich culture, and the means to acquire them.
You don't eat bikes. You only need one bike to get to the hunting grounds.
In the Italian film "the Bicycle Thief" the protagonist can support his family, post WWII, because of his bicycle. Once it is stolen from him, he can no longer work. He spends the remainder of the film searching for his, or another.
I think it is more a condition of the luxury of variety, and having an almost endless choice in our rich culture, and the means to acquire them.
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clarifying terms:
"hoarding" is only a problem if a man does it (with bicycles);
If a woman does the same thing (but with shoes or scarves) it's "retail therapy".
"hoarding" is only a problem if a man does it (with bicycles);
If a woman does the same thing (but with shoes or scarves) it's "retail therapy".
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Anytime I see pictures like this (or see hoarder's lots like this)
I feel like I can hear summer trapped; cannonballs at the local pool, baseball cards clothespinned to spokes, hamburgers on the grill, the crack of a baseball bat, the ice-cream truck's warbling melody. I bet the hoarders do too.
I feel like I can hear summer trapped; cannonballs at the local pool, baseball cards clothespinned to spokes, hamburgers on the grill, the crack of a baseball bat, the ice-cream truck's warbling melody. I bet the hoarders do too.
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I don't believe it's the hunter/gatherer theory either.
I'd venture to state it has to do with how our living conditions were during our forming years. Were times tight? Constrained budgets, denied desires and wants? Had to go out and earn and save for what you wanted? People who answer yes, will know the value of a dollar early and appreciate the cost of things. They say those who lived through the Great Depression end up unable to throw out anything. "Might use it someday" is the excuse.
Maybe something in our past triggered our behavior.
I know I can't turn down a bargain when it's anything I like or familiar with. I know what said item(s) are worth, then I ask myself will I be using it someday. Then can I afford it?, will I profit from it?, and any negative impacts (storage, expiration, opportunity costs, arguments).
The more disposable income I have, the more lenient my checklist gets though.
I'd venture to state it has to do with how our living conditions were during our forming years. Were times tight? Constrained budgets, denied desires and wants? Had to go out and earn and save for what you wanted? People who answer yes, will know the value of a dollar early and appreciate the cost of things. They say those who lived through the Great Depression end up unable to throw out anything. "Might use it someday" is the excuse.
Maybe something in our past triggered our behavior.
I know I can't turn down a bargain when it's anything I like or familiar with. I know what said item(s) are worth, then I ask myself will I be using it someday. Then can I afford it?, will I profit from it?, and any negative impacts (storage, expiration, opportunity costs, arguments).
The more disposable income I have, the more lenient my checklist gets though.
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Don't worry, we will all be vindicated once gasoline becomes less and less affordable, and all of these extra bikes will have real value.
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Bicycle Hoarding = OK
Old Food/ Trash hoarding = Bad
EDIT: Oh, and PET hoarding = Very Bad
Old Food/ Trash hoarding = Bad
EDIT: Oh, and PET hoarding = Very Bad
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In my experience, people who lived through the depression did tend to hang on to the things they had, but were very much dis-inclined to purchase more of anything than what they needed. (Certainly my folks would have considered it frivolous to have more bikes (or shoes) than you could wear out.)
- So what other explanations are there?
- So what other explanations are there?
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I have to admit, I hate seeing bikes get scrapped. I have may be 6-7 bikes that are crap columbia whatevers that were usable, and therefore had to be saved. I wish I didn't care. My stuff would look like a "collection" if it wasn't for those things.
It's a darn good thing I didn't get into used bikes earlier.
It's a darn good thing I didn't get into used bikes earlier.
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Bill - since I'm familiar with your collection rules, I'm going to say you aren't a hoarder...just someone with an overwhelming inventory that needs to be sold off. I think you have to have three, or even all four, of the above to be a hoarder. One or two just means you're in the grey area. If your wife falls down on bikes, gets tetnus and tells you you have to either cut back or she's leaving you...and you chose the bikes...you're a hoarder.
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Every time I see that show it reminds me of a few of the places I've bought out. Several in the NJ/NY area were the largest, plus one about 50 miles outside of Phila.
When it takes more than one moving van or 40' container to load up all the bikes then your a hoarder, beyond that I think your OK. The best part about places like these are that you never know what you will find under all the layers of bikes and parts.
When it takes more than one moving van or 40' container to load up all the bikes then your a hoarder, beyond that I think your OK. The best part about places like these are that you never know what you will find under all the layers of bikes and parts.
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I don't believe it's the hunter/gatherer theory either.
I'd venture to state it has to do with how our living conditions were during our forming years. Were times tight? Constrained budgets, denied desires and wants? Had to go out and earn and save for what you wanted? People who answer yes, will know the value of a dollar early and appreciate the cost of things. They say those who lived through the Great Depression end up unable to throw out anything. "Might use it someday" is the excuse.
Maybe something in our past triggered our behavior.
I know I can't turn down a bargain when it's anything I like or familiar with. I know what said item(s) are worth, then I ask myself will I be using it someday. Then can I afford it?, will I profit from it?, and any negative impacts (storage, expiration, opportunity costs, arguments).
The more disposable income I have, the more lenient my checklist gets though.
I'd venture to state it has to do with how our living conditions were during our forming years. Were times tight? Constrained budgets, denied desires and wants? Had to go out and earn and save for what you wanted? People who answer yes, will know the value of a dollar early and appreciate the cost of things. They say those who lived through the Great Depression end up unable to throw out anything. "Might use it someday" is the excuse.
Maybe something in our past triggered our behavior.
I know I can't turn down a bargain when it's anything I like or familiar with. I know what said item(s) are worth, then I ask myself will I be using it someday. Then can I afford it?, will I profit from it?, and any negative impacts (storage, expiration, opportunity costs, arguments).
The more disposable income I have, the more lenient my checklist gets though.
Funny thing is I got a Bridgestone RB-1 later on in life. I sold it like an idiot. :-( It was my size too. For some reason I held onto a Schwinn Prelude that was one size too big for me instead. I don't know what I was thinking.
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I keep thinking I'm trying to keep the number of bikes down to a reasonable level. I was trying to find the story of the guy that bought new cars and a complete set of parts for them and stored them in semi trucks. He used to sell parts, but then he had a bad transaction and stopped. He started filling the semi trailers, backing two together and then welding them together. As I recall, the collection sold for quite a bit of money.
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Step One: "We admitted we were powerless over (old bikes)—that our lives had become unmanageable."
Step Two:"Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity."
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There are 10 more.
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Step Two:"Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity."
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There are 10 more.
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To me these are the lines between collector and hoarder:
2. Hoarders are unselective...they'll take bikes just to have them...never riding them or even fixing them up. They seek quantity over quality.
There is a large grey area between hoarder and afficianado, and I think a lot of us live in that grey area.
2. Hoarders are unselective...they'll take bikes just to have them...never riding them or even fixing them up. They seek quantity over quality.
There is a large grey area between hoarder and afficianado, and I think a lot of us live in that grey area.
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Do us a favor...convince him that he has a problem and needs to get rid of 90 immediately. We can all split them up
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it's only hoarding if they don't neatly fit in the space you've got alloted for them. Also, that space should not dirctly compete with your normal living space.
At least that's what i tell myself.
At least that's what i tell myself.
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