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08-19-09, 10:52 PM
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I'm still suspicious of that top tube-headlug joint on the production model as on the Road Forum though - I'd like to see that in more detail (and perhaps a few other examples to see if it is duplicated).
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08-19-09, 11:06 PM
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Raleigh is bringing back the Record Ace for 2010. It's a lugged steel frame (Reynolds 520) and has a full Ultegra group on it. Retail will be $1799.99. I'm seriously considering EP'ing one, selling off the Ultegra, and building it up with Record. The thing is freaking gorgeous. Oh, Brooks Swallow saddle is included.
The Clubman gets cooler for 2010 as well. It now has colour-matched fenders. Still tig-welded 520 Reynolds.
The Clubman gets cooler for 2010 as well. It now has colour-matched fenders. Still tig-welded 520 Reynolds.
08-19-09, 11:57 PM
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Short blurb w/ a few pics of the Record Ace here:
https://bikehugger.com/2009/07/2010-r...ecord-ace.html
https://bikehugger.com/2009/07/2010-r...ecord-ace.html
08-20-09, 12:13 AM
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Steel is real, baby!
08-20-09, 04:50 AM
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Death fork? Naaaah!!
Did you think you had a lock on the job?
Slanted top tube ans 1 1/8" headtube. I'll pass.
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Short blurb w/ a few pics of the Record Ace here:
https://bikehugger.com/2009/07/2010-r...ecord-ace.html
https://bikehugger.com/2009/07/2010-r...ecord-ace.html
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08-20-09, 05:07 AM
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[…availability will be late 2009, perhaps early 2010. We’re in the process of confirming. And the TT is level…just like our race bikes.[/I]
https://www.raleighusa.com/2009/07/09...he-record-ace/
https://www.raleighusa.com/2009/07/09...he-record-ace/
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Look at it this way. In just a few years these things will be all over ebay & craigslist for a fraction of the retail price.
08-20-09, 05:48 AM
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Its $610 because its a $400 bike. $400 is what dealers pay for it.
Any new bike drops ~33% in year 1 and upto 50% after year 2.
TampaJim is not impressed.
Any new bike drops ~33% in year 1 and upto 50% after year 2.
TampaJim is not impressed.
08-20-09, 05:51 AM
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When people want a bike, and I give them the rundown, and they still want a new one, I can finally point to something out there that's new and affordable and will help my LBS stay in business.
There are some who think the new steel Allez will be a great #2 bike for some buyers and entry-level for others. That's fine.
The possibility exists that it becomes an entry-level buyer's #1 bike, and then that person goes C&V for $200-$300 for their #2 bike, which is pretty cool. Now we've got a rider and a C&V fan.
Taking it further, the same person realizes that they have under a grand into not 1 but 2, count them, 2 bikes, both of excellent quality and quite rideable. What's another $200-$300 for them to pick up another C&V?, and have 3 bikes for $1200, the previous decent entry-level price. You can see where I'm going here....we do this all the time, don't we?
The price is going to help a lot of people rationalize their purchase. I know of at least 4 women who'd like to get into road riding, do not want a "used" bike, but would be very interested in the new Allez. My bet is that 2 of them will buy one. And my bet is that their spouses will be 1) glad they didn't spend $1200 and then 2) decide since they only spent $600, another $300 for a C&V bike to ride along on is justifiable.
There are some who think the new steel Allez will be a great #2 bike for some buyers and entry-level for others. That's fine.
The possibility exists that it becomes an entry-level buyer's #1 bike, and then that person goes C&V for $200-$300 for their #2 bike, which is pretty cool. Now we've got a rider and a C&V fan.
Taking it further, the same person realizes that they have under a grand into not 1 but 2, count them, 2 bikes, both of excellent quality and quite rideable. What's another $200-$300 for them to pick up another C&V?, and have 3 bikes for $1200, the previous decent entry-level price. You can see where I'm going here....we do this all the time, don't we?
The price is going to help a lot of people rationalize their purchase. I know of at least 4 women who'd like to get into road riding, do not want a "used" bike, but would be very interested in the new Allez. My bet is that 2 of them will buy one. And my bet is that their spouses will be 1) glad they didn't spend $1200 and then 2) decide since they only spent $600, another $300 for a C&V bike to ride along on is justifiable.
08-20-09, 05:53 AM
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Death fork? Naaaah!!
[…availability will be late 2009, perhaps early 2010. We’re in the process of confirming. And the TT is level…just like our race bikes.[/I]
https://www.raleighusa.com/2009/07/09...he-record-ace/
https://www.raleighusa.com/2009/07/09...he-record-ace/
Until I see one and put a bubble on the tube I'll believe my eyes over advertising copy.
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08-20-09, 09:11 AM
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Steel is real, baby!
You can put the level on it when you get up to one in person... I'm betting that if it isn't level or very close to level, then the floor you're on at the time is not level either.
I think the 1 1/8" head tube is a great idea. It allows for a lot more options if someone want the change the headset or stem.
While the 1" on the Specialized is not a deal killer for me, I think they should have made it a 1 1/8". Perhaps if it sells really well, they'll change it in the next year or two. But then, if it sells really well, they also might adopt the stance of, "Why change it, if it's selling?" Still, I'd buy one.
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08-20-09, 09:19 AM
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I was thinking the same thing at first but I think it's just the angle of the picture. Now as to the hideous Ultegra crank, semi-aero rims and black anodized components...
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08-20-09, 09:22 AM
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Steel is real, baby!
But that's just me. I'm more of a C&V guy, though. Maybe the roadies like them?
08-20-09, 09:31 AM
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When people want a bike, and I give them the rundown, and they still want a new one, I can finally point to something out there that's new and affordable and will help my LBS stay in business.
There are some who think the new steel Allez will be a great #2 bike for some buyers and entry-level for others. That's fine.
The possibility exists that it becomes an entry-level buyer's #1 bike, and then that person goes C&V for $200-$300 for their #2 bike, which is pretty cool. Now we've got a rider and a C&V fan.
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The price is going to help a lot of people rationalize their purchase. I know of at least 4 women who'd like to get into road riding, do not want a "used" bike, but would be very interested in the new Allez. My bet is that 2 of them will buy one. And my bet is that their spouses will be 1) glad they didn't spend $1200 and then 2) decide since they only spent $600, another $300 for a C&V bike to ride along on is justifiable.
There are some who think the new steel Allez will be a great #2 bike for some buyers and entry-level for others. That's fine.
The possibility exists that it becomes an entry-level buyer's #1 bike, and then that person goes C&V for $200-$300 for their #2 bike, which is pretty cool. Now we've got a rider and a C&V fan.
<snip>
The price is going to help a lot of people rationalize their purchase. I know of at least 4 women who'd like to get into road riding, do not want a "used" bike, but would be very interested in the new Allez. My bet is that 2 of them will buy one. And my bet is that their spouses will be 1) glad they didn't spend $1200 and then 2) decide since they only spent $600, another $300 for a C&V bike to ride along on is justifiable.
08-20-09, 09:47 AM
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I like it a lot. If I had the money - but not a lot of money - I would totally consider that. It is probably just about bulletproof and perfect for commuting, recreational rides, etc. Brifters would add $200 to the price so I think it was smart for them to go with the downtubes.
08-20-09, 09:49 AM
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08-20-09, 10:44 AM
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08-20-09, 05:57 PM
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Death fork? Naaaah!!
Was at the LBS today looking through their Raleigh literature, and it looks straight in the official pictures. I stand corrected.
OTOH, the two owners were all hot over the steel Specialized, but it's a Specialized dealer shop so they'll pay the $400
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08-20-09, 07:06 PM
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It's not totally C&V style, but I do like it. I hope my lbs gets a couple in to have a look at one.
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The Record Ace is supposed to be available December 14th, according to our rep.
He's planning on buying one and stripping the Ultegra off as well.
He's planning on buying one and stripping the Ultegra off as well.
08-20-09, 09:13 PM
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08-20-09, 09:43 PM
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After having tested the new Specialized Allez Double Steel at my favorite local road cycling outfitter, I can say - with absolute and complete assurance - that the steel construction and Tig-welded structural joints yielded a frame that was laterally stiff yet vertically compliant.
-Kurt
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08-20-09, 10:01 PM
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Steel is real, baby!
After having tested the new Specialized Allez Double Steel at my favorite local road cycling outfitter, I can say - with absolute and complete assurance - that the steel construction and Tig-welded structural joints yielded a frame that was laterally stiff yet vertically compliant.
-Kurt
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08-21-09, 07:11 AM
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