Addiction 2022.2
Should Be More Popular
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,168
Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix
Mentioned: 560 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22689 Post(s)
Liked 9,032 Times
in
4,202 Posts
I am happy to try. But what about fibers from the backing board?? Somewhere I read there is fiberglass in there. The Saturn is so old, maybe there is even asbestos? I joke about the asbestos, but am actually serious about the fiberglass. Am I overthinking this??
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2022
Location: USA - Southwest PA
Posts: 3,185
Bikes: Cannondale - Gary Fisher - Giant - Litespeed - Schwinn Paramount - Schwinn (lugged steel) - Trek OCLV
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1439 Post(s)
Liked 1,989 Times
in
1,132 Posts
prob good idea to wear a mask - 'nuisance mask' - something like a N95 or similar if you are working with / near fiberglass insulation and similar
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2022
Location: USA - Southwest PA
Posts: 3,185
Bikes: Cannondale - Gary Fisher - Giant - Litespeed - Schwinn Paramount - Schwinn (lugged steel) - Trek OCLV
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1439 Post(s)
Liked 1,989 Times
in
1,132 Posts
-------
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 12,802
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9660 Post(s)
Liked 6,366 Times
in
3,506 Posts
There is also probably some type of foam under the fabric which would make painting difficult if there is.
Sounds like it's time for that Miata.
Likes For Mojo31:
Should Be More Popular
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,168
Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix
Mentioned: 560 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22689 Post(s)
Liked 9,032 Times
in
4,202 Posts
Liked
minimalist cyclist
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 1,751
Bikes: yes please
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1123 Post(s)
Liked 1,651 Times
in
949 Posts
I posted this in SaturnForums and got a reasonable suggestion, but lemme bounce this off any of the thrifty geezer car guys:
The headliner is sagging and has several holes/tears in it. I don't really care about the aesthetics but it's low enough it's touching my head. Google says a DIY headliner replacement is going to take a few hours and I know it will cause me great frustration, so I am seeking a simpler alternative.
Best idea so far is to take out headliner and paint the backing board with latex paint. Seems practical, any comments?
The headliner is sagging and has several holes/tears in it. I don't really care about the aesthetics but it's low enough it's touching my head. Google says a DIY headliner replacement is going to take a few hours and I know it will cause me great frustration, so I am seeking a simpler alternative.
Best idea so far is to take out headliner and paint the backing board with latex paint. Seems practical, any comments?
Senior Member
If it's the fabric itself that's falling apart, could you get a bolt of black/grey/beige/whatever color from a fabric store, some double sided tape (or glue), and maybe an industrial stapler? I'm thinking:
1. Take out the headliner that's falling apart, including whatever foam backing that's there
2, Get a piece of cardboard from whatever your last large purchase/delivery was, and cut that cardboard down to the same size as the fiberglass roof panel
3. wrap the cardboard in the fabric that you purchased, using double sided tape/glue on the passenger compartment facing side, and stapling around the edges where you've wrapped the fabric to the other side
4. Install the fabric-wrapped cardboard in the ceiling - I would imagine you'd want to use something like epoxy to make it more secure.
I think this would work reasonably if the headliner area is reasonably flat, or at least doesn't have much in the way of compound curves.
1. Take out the headliner that's falling apart, including whatever foam backing that's there
2, Get a piece of cardboard from whatever your last large purchase/delivery was, and cut that cardboard down to the same size as the fiberglass roof panel
3. wrap the cardboard in the fabric that you purchased, using double sided tape/glue on the passenger compartment facing side, and stapling around the edges where you've wrapped the fabric to the other side
4. Install the fabric-wrapped cardboard in the ceiling - I would imagine you'd want to use something like epoxy to make it more secure.
I think this would work reasonably if the headliner area is reasonably flat, or at least doesn't have much in the way of compound curves.
cowboy, steel horse, etc
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: The hot spot.
Posts: 45,036
Bikes: everywhere
Mentioned: 74 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12887 Post(s)
Liked 7,803 Times
in
4,141 Posts
Uh-oh. There's a new autonomous car in town. Cruise. Hard to see because there's too much chicken grease on my phone but it says "self-driver in training" on it.
cowboy, steel horse, etc
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: The hot spot.
Posts: 45,036
Bikes: everywhere
Mentioned: 74 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12887 Post(s)
Liked 7,803 Times
in
4,141 Posts
Likes For LesterOfPuppets:
-------
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 12,802
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9660 Post(s)
Liked 6,366 Times
in
3,506 Posts
The Saturn headliner is a fiber based board to which foam back fabric is attached. The fabric is typically glued onto the fiber board. Over time and due to exposure to heat, etc., the foam deteriorates and the glue releases.
To do it right, you need to take the headliner out of the car, remove the old foam/fabric, and glue on new foam/fabric. One thing you might run into is the plastic clips and such holding it all together in the car may be brittle from age. You are likely to break some removing the headliner. If you really want to do this, you might look for a shop that does that type of thing (they are out there). The money you spend getting it done will likely be less that you spend on parts and materials, and will certainly be worth the hassle of doing it yourself. Use the time for more enjoyable activities.
Time to get that Miata.
To do it right, you need to take the headliner out of the car, remove the old foam/fabric, and glue on new foam/fabric. One thing you might run into is the plastic clips and such holding it all together in the car may be brittle from age. You are likely to break some removing the headliner. If you really want to do this, you might look for a shop that does that type of thing (they are out there). The money you spend getting it done will likely be less that you spend on parts and materials, and will certainly be worth the hassle of doing it yourself. Use the time for more enjoyable activities.
Time to get that Miata.
-------
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 12,802
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9660 Post(s)
Liked 6,366 Times
in
3,506 Posts
-------
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 12,802
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9660 Post(s)
Liked 6,366 Times
in
3,506 Posts
If it's the fabric itself that's falling apart, could you get a bolt of black/grey/beige/whatever color from a fabric store, some double sided tape (or glue), and maybe an industrial stapler? I'm thinking:
1. Take out the headliner that's falling apart, including whatever foam backing that's there
2, Get a piece of cardboard from whatever your last large purchase/delivery was, and cut that cardboard down to the same size as the fiberglass roof panel
3. wrap the cardboard in the fabric that you purchased, using double sided tape/glue on the passenger compartment facing side, and stapling around the edges where you've wrapped the fabric to the other side
4. Install the fabric-wrapped cardboard in the ceiling - I would imagine you'd want to use something like epoxy to make it more secure.
I think this would work reasonably if the headliner area is reasonably flat, or at least doesn't have much in the way of compound curves.
1. Take out the headliner that's falling apart, including whatever foam backing that's there
2, Get a piece of cardboard from whatever your last large purchase/delivery was, and cut that cardboard down to the same size as the fiberglass roof panel
3. wrap the cardboard in the fabric that you purchased, using double sided tape/glue on the passenger compartment facing side, and stapling around the edges where you've wrapped the fabric to the other side
4. Install the fabric-wrapped cardboard in the ceiling - I would imagine you'd want to use something like epoxy to make it more secure.
I think this would work reasonably if the headliner area is reasonably flat, or at least doesn't have much in the way of compound curves.
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2022
Location: USA - Southwest PA
Posts: 3,185
Bikes: Cannondale - Gary Fisher - Giant - Litespeed - Schwinn Paramount - Schwinn (lugged steel) - Trek OCLV
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1439 Post(s)
Liked 1,989 Times
in
1,132 Posts
Senior Member
My headliner's still in place at the moment - that said, I drive a VW and park it in Manhattan half the time. I think the likelihood of major mechanical faults (because it's a VW), or major body damage (because it has to traverse Manhattan) might be higher than the car reaching an old-enough age where the interior starts crumbling. But who knows, I might luck out - ask me again in 15 years or so :-D
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 18,160
Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10521 Post(s)
Liked 12,087 Times
in
6,189 Posts
BTW, I don't know for sure what happened, but this weekend I was out front washing my car, and I hear the sound of a car braking suddenly - not a squeal of tires, because cars don't do that anymore. I looked up and there was a Tesla Model 3 about 3 houses down, which seemed to have braked suddenly. There was nothing around it. Nobody on the sidewalk, no other cars, no cyclists, nothing. I wondered if this was the sudden, unexplained braking that I've heard they do sometimes when all the nannies are turned on.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."
"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."
"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
Habitual User
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Altadena, CA
Posts: 8,126
Bikes: 2023 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2018 Trek Procaliber 9.9 RSL, 2018 Storck Fascenario.3 Platinum, 2003 Time VX Special Pro, 2001 Colnago VIP, 1999 Trek 9900 singlespeed, 1977 Nishiki ONP
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5041 Post(s)
Liked 8,281 Times
in
3,911 Posts
Saw one of those the other day down in Menlo Park. Maybe we could help train them by driving erratically around them. You know, tailgate them, cut them off then slow way down, make left turns from the right lane in front of them - all the stuff that drives you buggy.
BTW, I don't know for sure what happened, but this weekend I was out front washing my car, and I hear the sound of a car braking suddenly - not a squeal of tires, because cars don't do that anymore. I looked up and there was a Tesla Model 3 about 3 houses down, which seemed to have braked suddenly. There was nothing around it. Nobody on the sidewalk, no other cars, no cyclists, nothing. I wondered if this was the sudden, unexplained braking that I've heard they do sometimes when all the nannies are turned on.
BTW, I don't know for sure what happened, but this weekend I was out front washing my car, and I hear the sound of a car braking suddenly - not a squeal of tires, because cars don't do that anymore. I looked up and there was a Tesla Model 3 about 3 houses down, which seemed to have braked suddenly. There was nothing around it. Nobody on the sidewalk, no other cars, no cyclists, nothing. I wondered if this was the sudden, unexplained braking that I've heard they do sometimes when all the nannies are turned on.
__________________
"Swedish fish. They're protein shaped." - livedarklions
"Swedish fish. They're protein shaped." - livedarklions
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 18,160
Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10521 Post(s)
Liked 12,087 Times
in
6,189 Posts
Likes For genejockey:
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 18,160
Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10521 Post(s)
Liked 12,087 Times
in
6,189 Posts
Likes For genejockey:
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,389
Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3269 Post(s)
Liked 1,893 Times
in
1,192 Posts
I posted this in SaturnForums and got a reasonable suggestion, but lemme bounce this off any of the thrifty geezer car guys:
The headliner is sagging and has several holes/tears in it. I don't really care about the aesthetics but it's low enough it's touching my head. Google says a DIY headliner replacement is going to take a few hours and I know it will cause me great frustration, so I am seeking a simpler alternative.
Best idea so far is to take out headliner and paint the backing board with latex paint. Seems practical, any comments?
The headliner is sagging and has several holes/tears in it. I don't really care about the aesthetics but it's low enough it's touching my head. Google says a DIY headliner replacement is going to take a few hours and I know it will cause me great frustration, so I am seeking a simpler alternative.
Best idea so far is to take out headliner and paint the backing board with latex paint. Seems practical, any comments?
Contact paper. Is that still a thing?
Last edited by seedsbelize2; 06-28-22 at 10:00 AM.
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,389
Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3269 Post(s)
Liked 1,893 Times
in
1,192 Posts
Into the city and back home before 11. Both ways by bus. A PR.
Should Be More Popular
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,168
Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix
Mentioned: 560 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22689 Post(s)
Liked 9,032 Times
in
4,202 Posts
-------
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 12,802
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9660 Post(s)
Liked 6,366 Times
in
3,506 Posts
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,389
Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3269 Post(s)
Liked 1,893 Times
in
1,192 Posts
-------
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 12,802
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9660 Post(s)
Liked 6,366 Times
in
3,506 Posts
VFL For Life
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 51,401
Bikes: Velo Volmobile
Mentioned: 780 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28774 Post(s)
Liked 1,879 Times
in
1,335 Posts