Schwalbe Pro One tubeless
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I had an early version if the Schwalbe Pro One Tubeless and although they were fast & smooth they were horrible with punctures. On almost every ride I was getting sealant spattered on my frame from small punctures.
I took them off for a year & tried them again, and they were much better (more time to cure?), but still had too many leaks.
I may try another brand.
Was there a problem with early versions of this tire?
Thanks
I took them off for a year & tried them again, and they were much better (more time to cure?), but still had too many leaks.
I may try another brand.
Was there a problem with early versions of this tire?
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Toespeas;21655893]
LOL. I guess I'm not a real racer, nor are the guys I'm racing against, nor are the pros who are increasingly moving to tubeless.
ok buddy the hundreds of people that have had problems with tubeless sealing are just making it up , thats why shwalbe release a tubed version because their sales where tanking , no real racer i know would rely on tubeless seriously , they use tubulars , or they use latex tubes , the ones that have tried it usually dont last or swear by them , good luck getting a real puncture to seal over 80 psi , i have not with pro ones , maybe the new ones are better , maybe plugs are better , i haven't bothered in about a year , dont see myself bothering anytime soon , its not worth the effort , if you want serious race day tires you run tubs , if you want some amateur bank for buck hack try tubeless , i really dont care !
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On a somewhat related topic, I am/was considering Schwalbe Pro One TLEs (700x28) for my next set of tires. Checking pricing on biketiresdirect.com yesterday, many of the reviews mentioned how susceptible these tires are to punctures. I do not remember reading many reviews on other websites mentioning this issue, but now I am a bit concerned. Did biketiresdirect.com get a bad batch of tires, only sell to unlucky people, or are these tires really more prone to getting punctured easier than other tubeless tires?
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On a somewhat related topic, I am/was considering Schwalbe Pro One TLEs (700x28) for my next set of tires. Checking pricing on biketiresdirect.com yesterday, many of the reviews mentioned how susceptible these tires are to punctures. I do not remember reading many reviews on other websites mentioning this issue, but now I am a bit concerned. Did biketiresdirect.com get a bad batch of tires, only sell to unlucky people, or are these tires really more prone to getting punctured easier than other tubeless tires?
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Thanks for the reply. I have read some good things about the Zipp Tangente tires but chose to focus on the Pro One TLE's rather than cloud up my mind with other choices. Based on your comments, though, I need to give them more focus.
Did you mount them yourself? If so, were they easy, or difficult to mount? I have Mavic Kysrium Elite wheels.
Did you mount them yourself? If so, were they easy, or difficult to mount? I have Mavic Kysrium Elite wheels.
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Thanks for all the info everyone! So far the pro ones have been working out for me. Running back tire at 75 and front tire at 60. I was told by a friend to try 50 front 50 back. Anyone heard anything good about the new pro ones with the addix race compound??
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Thanks for the reply. I have read some good things about the Zipp Tangente tires but chose to focus on the Pro One TLE's rather than cloud up my mind with other choices. Based on your comments, though, I need to give them more focus.
Did you mount them yourself? If so, were they easy, or difficult to mount? I have Mavic Kysrium Elite wheels.
Did you mount them yourself? If so, were they easy, or difficult to mount? I have Mavic Kysrium Elite wheels.
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Thanks for the response. There are many reviews of tubeless tires, and they all seem to have an equal share of pro and con comments. Have you had the tires on your bike long enough to form an opinion on their ride comfort and puncture resistance?
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I've read a few reviews talking about blown out sidewalls but I haven't had any such issues and I'm a pretty big boy at 6'4/215.....and I was even heavier during the lockdowns But, it's something to be aware of....
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I think I've been riding these tires for 5,000 miles, give or take, and so far, they're the tires that tick the boxes for me. They ride almost exactly like the tires that come with the Comete Pro's (Mavic Yksion Pro I think) but the puncture resistance is better in my experience. They're easier to find and just as easy to mount as well.
I've read a few reviews talking about blown out sidewalls but I haven't had any such issues and I'm a pretty big boy at 6'4/215.....and I was even heavier during the lockdowns But, it's something to be aware of....
I've read a few reviews talking about blown out sidewalls but I haven't had any such issues and I'm a pretty big boy at 6'4/215.....and I was even heavier during the lockdowns But, it's something to be aware of....
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[QUOTE=bbbean;21658765]well the serious racers i know use tubs , there are plenty of people that use tubeless and have a great time , but on average tubeless road is the most pointless system , it might seal up some small pin holes and get you home on 50 psi but you will still have to seal the hole with a patch and it will still seep and weep , any real gash is not going to seal , you hit a half inch something in the road you are going to have to install a tube and good luck getting the bead back up if it unlocks , and good luck getting the tube in with plastic levers , and good luck not pinching the tube as you install it , the amount of issues tubeless creates in the long run is not worth the hassle , running latex would be easier , if you do one day races on your dedicated race day/ hard group ride wheels tubeless will be better at that situation , than putting 4k miles on them and expecting them to not have one issue over those miles !
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I had the complete opposite experience. They were harder to mount than the Yksion Pro, which were a tough job themselves. There's zero chance these tires were going on without the help of tire levers. The rear tire seated with a co2 cartridge blast, but not the front.
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[QUOTE=Toespeas;21675459]
That's not a trivial thing, ESPECIALLY in a race, in bad weather, when you're on a tight schedule, etc. Throw in reduced rolling resistance and you have the reason tubeless works for so many riders.
Who said anything about not having one issue? I'm thrilled to have fewer issues.
Who said anything about not having one issue? I'm thrilled to have fewer issues.
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I had the complete opposite experience. They were harder to mount than the Yksion Pro, which were a tough job themselves. There's zero chance these tires were going on without the help of tire levers. The rear tire seated with a co2 cartridge blast, but not the front.
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Zipp Tangente sucks, rides like garden hose, they're thick. Good for rear wheel of a daily workhorse, not for a premium bike looking for premium feel.
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Just installed a new rear tire yesterday. The only time I used a tire lever was to remove the old one....try gripping the top of the wheel with your fingers and using the palms of your hands to drag the bead of the tire over the edge of the rim. It's way easier than using your thumbs.
Even though it was insanely difficult to put on, the quality of the ride is pleasant enough to warrant the hassle. I assume the impossible-to-mount sidewall is what gives this tire it's reactive steering input. It's much better than the Yksion Pro tires I had before- much more confidence inspiring to rail a corner.
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I used this method when first trying to install the tire. I made sure the tire sat in the well and took any slack -that was available- out of the tire; I mounted in the direction of the valve. It was just an insanely tight fit. What ended up happening was, as I spooned the tire on -a little from each side- it reached a point of extreme tension and would not go on anymore. I got frustrated [and lucky] that the use of the tire lever, cantilevered under the center of the unmounted portion caused it to stretch just enough to snap on.
Even though it was insanely difficult to put on, the quality of the ride is pleasant enough to warrant the hassle. I assume the impossible-to-mount sidewall is what gives this tire it's reactive steering input. It's much better than the Yksion Pro tires I had before- much more confidence inspiring to rail a corner.
Even though it was insanely difficult to put on, the quality of the ride is pleasant enough to warrant the hassle. I assume the impossible-to-mount sidewall is what gives this tire it's reactive steering input. It's much better than the Yksion Pro tires I had before- much more confidence inspiring to rail a corner.
But the Yksions are hard to find, don't last very long, and have pretty poor puncture resistance (at least in my experience) and now the Tangentes are getting harder to find as well.
It looks like Schwalbe released a new version of the Pro One that uses a new compound and V-Guard instead of that crappy Microskin they used on the previous version. I loved the tubed Pro One's when they first came out but the tubeless version was terrible imho.
Might have to try the newest version of those once my Zipp's are done.
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What rims are you mounting them on? There doesn't seem to be any real standards for tubeless with the rare exception of Mavic's UST wheels and tires. The Yksion Pro's were the easiest ones I've mounted on my Comete Pro's but, they were designed to work together.
But the Yksions are hard to find, don't last very long, and have pretty poor puncture resistance (at least in my experience) and now the Tangentes are getting harder to find as well.
But the Yksions are hard to find, don't last very long, and have pretty poor puncture resistance (at least in my experience) and now the Tangentes are getting harder to find as well.
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It sounds like you are not a big fan of Zipp Tangente tubeless tire but offered no opinion on what you think are better choices. Can you provide more info beyond your criticism of the Zipps?
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If you want a lighter and more importantly more supple tire, get Schwable Pro One or Vittoria Corsa (I believe). Or you can mix it up, Pro One / Vit Corsa on the front, Tangente for the rear.
The reason why the Tangente is so thich and hard is because it has a butyl layer on the inside, and it has very thick bead..and according to Zipp, you don't need sealand to make this tire seal. But the price to pay is a heavy and hard tire.
Thin and light weight tires ride better but don't last as long, don't seal as well, because there is less material.
Everything has its pro's and con's.
me personally, I would never use Tangente on a premium bike. When I hear Tangente, I think of Gatorskin kind of ride quality.
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Veloflex Corsa EVO (harder to mount but worth the effort very fast and frisky tire)
Vittoria Corsa 2.0 regular or the heavier Control model (pretty easy to mount amazing stability and look fabulous)
Pirelli P Zero regular or 4S model (easiest to mount, fast and supple what you expect from a Pirelli product)
Conti 5000 (beware of mounting, fast but chattery, durable and can’t go wrong)
Vittoria Rubino Pro 2.0 (good inexpensive tires)
Of those the Contis, Rubinos and Pirellis will last the longest. The Pirellis are the goldilocks tire.
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If you want a workhorse tires for daily duty, Tangente is ok, like I've said.
If you want a lighter and more importantly more supple tire, get Schwable Pro One or Vittoria Corsa (I believe). Or you can mix it up, Pro One / Vit Corsa on the front, Tangente for the rear.
The reason why the Tangente is so thich and hard is because it has a butyl layer on the inside, and it has very thick bead..and according to Zipp, you don't need sealand to make this tire seal. But the price to pay is a heavy and hard tire.
Thin and light weight tires ride better but don't last as long, don't seal as well, because there is less material.
Everything has its pro's and con's.
me personally, I would never use Tangente on a premium bike. When I hear Tangente, I think of Gatorskin kind of ride quality.
If you want a lighter and more importantly more supple tire, get Schwable Pro One or Vittoria Corsa (I believe). Or you can mix it up, Pro One / Vit Corsa on the front, Tangente for the rear.
The reason why the Tangente is so thich and hard is because it has a butyl layer on the inside, and it has very thick bead..and according to Zipp, you don't need sealand to make this tire seal. But the price to pay is a heavy and hard tire.
Thin and light weight tires ride better but don't last as long, don't seal as well, because there is less material.
Everything has its pro's and con's.
me personally, I would never use Tangente on a premium bike. When I hear Tangente, I think of Gatorskin kind of ride quality.
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Good comments....thanks. I originally was going to purchase Schwalbe Pro Ones but I read a few articles and postings by users that mentioned Pro Ones were very prone to punctures. That is what had me exploring other options and I ended up focusing on the Zipp Tangente. I do not know if Schwalbe has addressed this issue with their ADDIX compound now used in the latest iteration of Pro Ones.
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Update
So far no issues/flats with the Pro ones! Running back at 75 and front 60. After all the debate I decided to carry Dynaplug only in my kit. We shall see how that plays out. Thanks for all the comments everyone.