I was out on the road yesterday when my tubeless experiment was cut short in the wee hours of the morning about 60 miles from home.

Schwalbe Pro One (23mm), hit a rock that gave me about a 1/2" gash in the side of the tread, probably losing a few casing fibers. I don't know if I bottomed out or not, I know more or less where it was on the rim, and will inspect shortly. The interior of the tire looked good, but not the exterior. Sealed static, but too much flex to seal rolling.

Anyway, I like my 25mm tires. I think I got the Pro One's before 25mm was generally available, but only recently mounted. So, I'm hunting for something a bit more durable.

Of course, maybe I'll have to sacrifice the purported super low rolling resistance of the Schwalbes.

At this time, I don't want to go larger than 25mm.

Ideas?

Maxxis Refuse Tubeless seems to only be in 32mm and 40mm.

Looking at:Others? I could wait until Spring for some new 2019 models if something tangible is on the horizon???

Giant Gavia AC1, provided you can find them. My LBS carries them, and they're cheaper than GP 4000s.

I hope you carried a spare tube. Andy

Maybe bontrager

I hadn't converted the rear to tubeless. So I had two spare tubes, and managed to puncture them both trying to get that tubeless tire squeezed back in.

Plus, I decided to try a $1 boot.

I should have brought a rag.

Clearly I need a bit more practice mounting really hard to mount tubeless tires with a tube. And, also it would help to build a bead seater, although Panaracer, above, claims their tires are really easy to mount.

One thing that I'll try is to only break one bead, and leave one bead mounted if I can. If not, perhaps try pushing that first bead up onto the bead seat with the thumbs before installing the tube and second bead.

A few more miles down the road, I found this as an incidental finding. I had bought a used trailer, and the seller pumped both tires up really hard. I'm still not quite sure why it didn't blow. Perhaps it has thornproof tubes in it which have some sidewall strength.



Anyway, had I blown the trailer tube, I would have struggled. I had left the 20" tubes home, and assumed I could use a 700c tube in a pinch, but I had used one 700c tube and badly damaged the other.

How about this one? looks like a durable tyre. Expensive tho.

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...rato-velo-2018

That's what I would have recommended.. not too bad a price at PBK at ~$42

Cinturato at PBK

Good point on there being overall less variability in sidewall protection, though there is still some variation.

Captive air tires , are a ring of very dense foam.. no valve stem needed..
100% puncture Proof...

Seen inner tube substitutes too ,

mostly for an institutional wheel chair use..




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I don't get the use of tubeless for road bikes. I see why for larger lower pressure mountain bike tires...... but just don't see any advantage for road bikes compared to options like tubular or high end clinchers

now get off of my lawn you whipper snappers

I might well still be using tubulars if they had some puncture resistance and modern sealants 25 years ago. But, they eventually became obsolete for my usage.

I actually tried an old "tubeless" tubular. One was supposed to inject a sealant directly into the hole, but it never worked.

But, I'm not beyond trying something new too. It is hard to say how long road tubeless will last. It may be here to stay. Or, perhaps manufacturers will realize that tire mounting issues outweigh the potential benefits of tubeless.

Some will depend on overall durability of tubeless (at least some offerings), and perhaps whether future tubeless tires both are more secure, as well as easy enough to mount without special tools.

Part of the mounting issues include the narrow channels dictated by road use (at least traditional style wheels, they may be getting wider).

As I mentioned on the first page, the Panaracer tubeless is supposed to be able to be mounted with a simple portable mini-pump, which is a step forward.

A friend hypodermic punctured the tube, to go around non removable core p/v ,
squirted in sealant and patched the hole he made ,
and sewed up the tire to commute on cheap sew-ups ..
(worked @ GM dealership as a Mechanic)

20 years ago, so is retired by now..







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I have tubeless tires on every bike I own, for a single reason: