It's an upgrade if it makes you more comfortable. It may be a wrong part right part switch but it still can be an upgrade.

As far as pipe materials you can get crabons or titaniums, steel or aluminum each with different properties for vibration dampening and such. Plus you can get fancy dropper pipes for moun-tain biking which are the bee's gotdamn knees!

But hey haters gonna hate, playas gonna play and me I would rather just ride my bike all day ; )

i went from a state bicycle frame to a all city thunderdome. Transferred my omniums with an all city pursuit chain ring, thomson stem and seat post over.

What i learned from this whole thing was you can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig. The Thunderdome with garbage parts would still be a better riding bike than the state with the parts i had on it. So in my opinion id upgrade the frame then upgrade the components from there.

Respectfully disagree with this. I also owned a State 4130 complete. Rode it stock for 6 months then started a build on a different frame with S300s, HPlus archetypes/sealed forumlas/ fsa cockpit. Just recently went back to State and transferred all mentioned parts onto the new Contender frame (which I'm sure most here would be easily convinced rides the same as reg 4130 state frame, even though I can tell you there's a difference). Even still the difference in frames is minimal, the upgrade in parts make it a night and day experience from my old 4130 complete. Long story short I believe the parts make a huge difference, particularly drivetrain/wheelsets.

Edit* As I typed that I realized you had much better parts on your state than what I was riding (stock). So what you mostly experienced was a frame over frame improvement going to the All City in my opinion.

even stock gen 1 contender minus those awful stock wheels was not a massive difference from where i had it. The bigger difference came from changing frames. But i guess i had immediately eliminated the weakest link on the state by removing the stock wheels and tires (removed like 2 or 3lbs and it wasnt like i put a <1500g wheelset on there)

So my recommendation would be to get a quality wheelset first and foremost. Then move onto the drive train (chain, cog, lock ring, crankset, bb)

I Dont recommend omniums over s100's (if they even sell them anymore). They are only marginally stiffer for what twice the price?

Word. We definitely agree the 800lb state wheel set and bendy straw drivetrain are the weakest links haha. And not to jack the OP's thread - this is likely the area you want to focus as far as WHAT quality parts you're going to put on a mid level frame if that's the route you're going down.

I'm happy with the S300's. The GXP BB is a nice upgrade over the powerspline, but the S300 doesn't leave me with enough to be desired to justify the bump in price to the omniums.

Thanks for the helpful replies. My plan is to upgrade my wheelset first. Then the drivetrain second. Over the winter I hope to aquire a nicer frame (dependent on the type of riding I do) and swap the goodies over.

I intend to keep the Kilo and original parts in hopes to re-incarnate it as a winter/bad weather rig.

That's the current plan, anyway.