Compass Tire Hype: Warning
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Compass Tire Hype: Warning
I hate when a product develops a hive-minded hyperbolic praise gushing following. It makes me very suspicious. I start thinking "Label Lovers" and brand loyalists, which make no sense to me whatsoever. Like a $20K Rolex is going to tell me what time it is better than a $100 Seiko will. That kinda cult **** irks me.
Well, Compass tires are swarmed by exactly that. A following of "Praise Fountains" spewing sugary adjectives and analogies about the tire's unearthly performance and ride qualities has developed.
I've read all the user reviews I came across.
"Floats over chip seal like it's on a cloud."
"I had to change cogs on my fixed bike because of the increased speed."
"They eliminated the numbness that I was experiencing in my hands."
And on and on and on and on and on and on.
Whatever man. Puke.
So...
I had some tires on one of my bikes that were just too heavy. My mistake for buying them. Originally they fit the bill. Large volume, gum walls, and 100% slick. But I found myself avoiding riding that bike because of the tires. That was bumming me out. After a while I admitted it to myself, they had to go.
I started shopping for lighter replacements. I couldn't find any 100% slick tires with gum/tan walls in 700c x 35mm. Black wall, yes. Or gum wall with tread, yes. Dammit. More research and shopping. I finally reached the much loathed conclusion that the Compass tire was the closest I could get to what I wanted. It has tread, but it's almost nonexistent. Dread set in. The prices are ridiculous. Stupid prices.
After mulling it over I decided to bite the bullet and buy a pair. I figured if they were half as good as the hype, I'd have a lighter and better rolling tire and enjoy the bike again.
I received them. Yep. Just rubber rings. They mounted easily and fully seated themselves without needing any manual manipulation. Fine. Whatever.
Still feeling like a knucklehead for spending nine mortgage payments on two bike tires I ventured out for a twenty mile ride.
I didn't have to ride very far to realize I had made a big mistake. A BIG one.
I had judged the tires and formed an opinion without riding them.
The hype is true.
I've ridden thirty seven million different tires (yes, 37M
) in my time on bikes and motorcycles and these tires are freaks.
They ride so well it messes with my head. I'd be riding along on perfect pavement for a mile and then come to a place where it transitions to junk pavement and I'd feel no difference. My eyes are receiving data that conflicts with what my hands, butt and feet are experiencing. I started looking for rough patches to ride over so I could "double check" WTF was going on?
Yeah they roll great, but that's to be expected since they have a high TPI count and are light weight. Yeah they handle great, but that's to be expected since they have supple side walls. But it's the vibration elimination that is freakish. And I mean freakish.
There is a park near me with a huge concrete promenade area as part of a Veteran's memorial. The concrete has a decorative pattern stamped in it. The ridges are the exactly perfect depth and distance from one another to induce teeth rattling vibration. You know, like rattle the fillings out of your teeth. I rolled over that stuff, and, nothing. NOTHING. I couldn't feel or hear anything. It was actually very very eerie.
The other thing that is weird is that the PSI sweet spot is huge. When the pressure drops they don't become "slow".
Now I am faced with a huge dilemma. Compass makes a (dead sexy) 26" x 2.3" black wall and my Klunker needs new tires. I'd save 202 grams each by replacing my Ritchey tires.
But those cost even more than the 700 x 35s I bought.
But expensive tires on a Klunker? Really?
Am I that stupid?
Probably.
Well, Compass tires are swarmed by exactly that. A following of "Praise Fountains" spewing sugary adjectives and analogies about the tire's unearthly performance and ride qualities has developed.
I've read all the user reviews I came across.
"Floats over chip seal like it's on a cloud."

"I had to change cogs on my fixed bike because of the increased speed."

"They eliminated the numbness that I was experiencing in my hands."

And on and on and on and on and on and on.
Whatever man. Puke.
So...
I had some tires on one of my bikes that were just too heavy. My mistake for buying them. Originally they fit the bill. Large volume, gum walls, and 100% slick. But I found myself avoiding riding that bike because of the tires. That was bumming me out. After a while I admitted it to myself, they had to go.
I started shopping for lighter replacements. I couldn't find any 100% slick tires with gum/tan walls in 700c x 35mm. Black wall, yes. Or gum wall with tread, yes. Dammit. More research and shopping. I finally reached the much loathed conclusion that the Compass tire was the closest I could get to what I wanted. It has tread, but it's almost nonexistent. Dread set in. The prices are ridiculous. Stupid prices.
After mulling it over I decided to bite the bullet and buy a pair. I figured if they were half as good as the hype, I'd have a lighter and better rolling tire and enjoy the bike again.
I received them. Yep. Just rubber rings. They mounted easily and fully seated themselves without needing any manual manipulation. Fine. Whatever.
Still feeling like a knucklehead for spending nine mortgage payments on two bike tires I ventured out for a twenty mile ride.
I didn't have to ride very far to realize I had made a big mistake. A BIG one.
I had judged the tires and formed an opinion without riding them.
The hype is true.

I've ridden thirty seven million different tires (yes, 37M
) in my time on bikes and motorcycles and these tires are freaks.They ride so well it messes with my head. I'd be riding along on perfect pavement for a mile and then come to a place where it transitions to junk pavement and I'd feel no difference. My eyes are receiving data that conflicts with what my hands, butt and feet are experiencing. I started looking for rough patches to ride over so I could "double check" WTF was going on?
Yeah they roll great, but that's to be expected since they have a high TPI count and are light weight. Yeah they handle great, but that's to be expected since they have supple side walls. But it's the vibration elimination that is freakish. And I mean freakish.
There is a park near me with a huge concrete promenade area as part of a Veteran's memorial. The concrete has a decorative pattern stamped in it. The ridges are the exactly perfect depth and distance from one another to induce teeth rattling vibration. You know, like rattle the fillings out of your teeth. I rolled over that stuff, and, nothing. NOTHING. I couldn't feel or hear anything. It was actually very very eerie.
The other thing that is weird is that the PSI sweet spot is huge. When the pressure drops they don't become "slow".
Now I am faced with a huge dilemma. Compass makes a (dead sexy) 26" x 2.3" black wall and my Klunker needs new tires. I'd save 202 grams each by replacing my Ritchey tires.
But those cost even more than the 700 x 35s I bought.
But expensive tires on a Klunker? Really?
Am I that stupid?
Probably.
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I've just bought a pair of Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 26"x2" today for an old Bridgestone mountain bike that I've customised with drop bars ....
I really wanted Compass Rat Trap Pass .... after reading your post, I'm sad now and should have bought the compass tyres
Oh well, next time ... when the Schwalbe's need replacing, I will get the Rat Trap Pass .... only thing that concerns me is the puncture resistance (I commute 40km per day, but it's only on Asphalt/tar roads with a few potholes here and there)... I hat punctures and loose money if I'm late for work
I really wanted Compass Rat Trap Pass .... after reading your post, I'm sad now and should have bought the compass tyres
Oh well, next time ... when the Schwalbe's need replacing, I will get the Rat Trap Pass .... only thing that concerns me is the puncture resistance (I commute 40km per day, but it's only on Asphalt/tar roads with a few potholes here and there)... I hat punctures and loose money if I'm late for work
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I've just bought a pair of Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 26"x2" today for an old Bridgestone mountain bike that I've customised with drop bars ....
I really wanted Compass Rat Trap Pass .... after reading your post, I'm sad now and should have bought the compass tyres
Oh well, next time ... when the Schwalbe's need replacing, I will get the Rat Trap Pass .... only thing that concerns me is the puncture resistance (I commute 40km per day, but it's only on Asphalt/tar roads with a few potholes here and there)... I hat punctures and loose money if I'm late for work
I really wanted Compass Rat Trap Pass .... after reading your post, I'm sad now and should have bought the compass tyres
Oh well, next time ... when the Schwalbe's need replacing, I will get the Rat Trap Pass .... only thing that concerns me is the puncture resistance (I commute 40km per day, but it's only on Asphalt/tar roads with a few potholes here and there)... I hat punctures and loose money if I'm late for work
The price is about the same.
I didn't know that. The Rat Traps are WAY lighter, but I totally understand your puncture concern. The Compass tires do feel mighty delicate in your hands.Maybe check out the Schwalbe Kojak as a compromise. It's about halfway between the two and far less money.
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The price is about the same.
I didn't know that. The Rat Traps are WAY lighter, but I totally understand your puncture concern. The Compass tires do feel mighty delicate in your hands.
Maybe check out the Schwalbe Kojak as a compromise. It's about halfway between the two and far less money.
I didn't know that. The Rat Traps are WAY lighter, but I totally understand your puncture concern. The Compass tires do feel mighty delicate in your hands.Maybe check out the Schwalbe Kojak as a compromise. It's about halfway between the two and far less money.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3616435064...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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I got a pair of Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 26"x 2" folding tyres for £39.90 (inclusive of shipping cost).... thats for both:
Schwalbe Marathon Supreme HD Speed Guard Slick FOLDING Hybrid Tyre 26" x 2.00" | eBay
Schwalbe Marathon Supreme HD Speed Guard Slick FOLDING Hybrid Tyre 26" x 2.00" | eBay
They are listed on Schwalbe's North America site for $85.00.$75.00 each at Amazon. Weird.
$109.00 on ebay ********** https://www.ebay.com/itm/Schwalbe-Bic...-/221933017050
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[MENTION=362748]SquidPuppet[/MENTION], I love your writing.
Which size and model did you get?
Which size and model did you get?
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After reading a lot of reviews I went to the C&V forum to investigate further. It was a couple guys there that actually know Jan Heine and vouched for the design, manufacturing process, and tread compound that pushed me over the edge to try them. There was some debate about them being re-branded Pasella carcasses, which was debunked when a knowledgeable member stepped in.
Lot's of those guys already ride them and claim they are even good on gravel. That's something I won't be testing with that tiny tread.
Lot's of those guys already ride them and claim they are even good on gravel. That's something I won't be testing with that tiny tread.
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I got the Jon Bon Pass 700 x 35 in the "Extra Light" flavor. I've read that the "Standard" version is noticeably less comfortable. 52 gram difference between the two, FWIW. $20.00 difference too.
I want these...
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After reading a lot of reviews I went to the C&V forum to investigate further. It was a couple guys there that actually know Jan Heine and vouched for the design, manufacturing process, and tread compound that pushed me over the edge to try them. There was some debate about them being re-branded Pasella carcasses, which was debunked when a knowledgeable member stepped in.
Lot's of those guys already ride them and claim they are even good on gravel. That's something I won't be testing with that tiny tread.
Lot's of those guys already ride them and claim they are even good on gravel. That's something I won't be testing with that tiny tread.

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some of our now distant SSFG members, and transient members (@yummygooey) know the BQ guys and ride compass jawns. lots of offroad stuff goes on with their crew
i want the rat traps but they wont fit on hypnotoad and that makes me sad. if i end up getting a cross bike this winter ill be getting the fattest compass tires for the road wheelset
i want the rat traps but they wont fit on hypnotoad and that makes me sad. if i end up getting a cross bike this winter ill be getting the fattest compass tires for the road wheelset
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I'd be more concerned about the sidewalls than the treads. The Pasela sidewall is already vulnerable, so I'm sure your tires are much more so.
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some of our now distant SSFG members, and transient members (@yummygooey) know the BQ guys and ride compass jawns. lots of offroad stuff goes on with their crew
i want the rat traps but they wont fit on hypnotoad and that makes me sad. if i end up getting a cross bike this winter ill be getting the fattest compass tires for the road wheelset
i want the rat traps but they wont fit on hypnotoad and that makes me sad. if i end up getting a cross bike this winter ill be getting the fattest compass tires for the road wheelset
Something I should acknowledge is that I don't know how well they perform under extreme front wheel braking, since I have no way to test that currently.
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Yes indeed, the sidewalls are like anorexic tissue paper.
I can say truthfully though, in 50+ years I've never had a sidewall puncture. I've never really understood how people achieve those on the road.
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Not believing the hype that's often found here for their completes and wheelsets.
Let's be honest, they're not exactly priced in the same range as our beloved #kilott
Let's be honest, they're not exactly priced in the same range as our beloved #kilott
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There used to be a 700x23 offering from Grand Bois (another premium tire brand made by Panaracer), but I'm not seeing them now that I look again. Weird, must not have been a big seller.
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The market is full of good 23mm tires.
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I've been curious about Compass tires for a long time now. I was tempted to buy a pair in preparation for both of my randonneur rides but I never went through with it. It's hard to put that kind of cash out when I have access to wholesale prices for Paselas.
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