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I bought a frame on ebay a couple of months ago, and now I'm refinishing it. It's my first lugged track frame, and I'd like to find out what kind it is so I can try to find decals for it.

1) The original finish was red (it's now stripped and primed, waiting on the results of this inquiry), with a Columbus Cromor decal on the seat tube, near the top. The Columbus decal was the only indentifying mark on the frame.

2) The track ends and the seatstay caps looked exactly like those on a DeBernardi, and the (less than durable) red finish and Cromor decal initially made me think that's what it might be.

3) The seatpost size is 27.0, not 27.2, there are no cutouts in the lugs, and the brake bridge has an arched-looking shape.

The bridge looks like the one on this Masi except mine is undrilled:



The frame came with a red unoriginal aluminum fork and an older Miche bottom bracket (non-Primato). Italian threaded shell. The shell has no stamp other than a "54" (the size). No serial number anywhere on the frame.

I sent the frame to Gene Spicer to have him repair a small ding that the seller did not say anything about, and he said it might be a DeBernardi. He's sure it's an Italian make. The finish, the Cromor decal, the stays and the track end shape all point to DeBernardi. But the 27.0 post size, the lack of lug cutouts and the shaped, undrilled brake bridge make me unsure.

I know the current rage is to remove all decals, but this is probably the best frame I'll own for quite some time and I don't live in an area where I have to worry about theft due to bike brand, so I want proper decals. If there's anyone who can help me ID this frame or even give me some other builders who use Cromor tubing, a shaped bridge and the DeBernardi shaped stays and ends, I'd be eternally grateful. Sorry I have no photos of my own to provide. I'll try to find some images of the DeBe ends (there are two types, IIRC) and stays so you all will know what I'm talking about.

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https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...152507073&rd=1

Here's some photos from the ebay auction. Hope this helps.

crushkilldstroy

i saw that bridge and wanted to say torelli pista, but i'm pretty sure they have serial numbers. good luck though.

dolface

can we get a pic of the seatstay caps? that might help narrow it down.

B17

I've got some images of the seatstay caps on my computer, but I don't know how to get them onto this site. It won't let e cut and paste from Paint or copy from the image viewer for some reason. I'll keep trying.

dolface

click the 'go advanced' button, click the 'manage attachments' button on the page that loads, browse to the image, click 'upload' click 'close window' once the image has loaded, and you're good to go.

B17

where is this "Go Advanced" button? Is it on my AOL browser, or in Windows Imaging, or paint? I apologize for my computer idiocy. Ebay makes this simpler.

EDIt: Duh, Never mind.. I see it at the bottom of this screen. I'm on it now.

crushkilldstroy

just below the "quick reply" box. after you click it, scroll down to the "attach files" thingy, click "browse," then find the file and attach it.

crushkilldstroy

n/m. you found 'er.

B17

Okay. The image is too large. I'm trying to figure out how to reduce it so I can get it on here.

dolface

pm'd you.

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seatstayandbridge.jpg:
File Too Large. Limit for this filetype is 100.0 KB. Your file is 208.3 KB.

This is the message I'm getting. How do I reduce the image size?

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Done. Thanks a bunch!

dolface

here we go...

an older de bernardi maybe?

B17

That's what I was thinking. Hopefully someone will see it and be able to make a firm decision. I don't know if DeBernardi decals are even available, tho- I'd need to get in contact with World Class Cycles or someone. I think they sell the newer Thron frames.

dolface

check this out https://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2005/feb/yule.htm

it's de ber w/ a different bridge style, i wonder if they changed them a lot.

BostonFixed

debernadi or not, It's a nice frame and you got a good deal. Now ride the **** out of it.

Grunk

Giordana? i have a friend who has one and the seatstay bridge looks like what you described.

jacobs

That one is drilled for brakes, and the older DeBer's were virgins.

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Dolface- thanks again. Glad for the help.

Grunk- The image in Dolface's post is a photo I took of my frame. Does the bridge look like your friend's? I've looked at some Giordanas, and IIRC, they have stamped stay caps. They might not all be like that, tho. thanks for the tip.

BostonFixed- I have a KHS/Mercier that I'm riding now. This one can wait until I get it right. So many nice bikes on this site and FGG, you can't blame me for wanting to do justice to the one lugged frame I have, can you?

Jacobs- I'm not sure that FGG DeBer is drilled in the rear. It doesn't look like it. My frame came with an unoriginal AL fork that I've replaced with a Soma track (re-tubed and threaded by Bernie Mikkelsen, a la Dokushoka's KHS).