BALLS!!!! So i followed the advice from all you helpful people, and borrowed a chainwhip and bought a lockring doohickie. Tightened the **** out of the cog (first with chain whip then rotafixed it just to be sure, also was careful not to apply "excessive force" as the website suggests)... moved on to lockring and tightened the **** outta that. I run a front brake so i rode around for a few blocks without back pedaling just to be sure. Do a few skids followed by fast accelerations from stops just to run it through its paces and everything seems fine.

I'm out riding last night, on my way home, and have to perform lots of little skips and such as i'm riding with skateboarders and gotta show off a little ;-) anyway... long story short... STRIPED THE F*CKER!!!! BALLS!!!! I think this must be due to damage incurred from not being tight after the original build (which i had done professionally to avoid something like this). Is this my fault? Did I kill my baby?

Steve - off for some sweet sweet warantee work :-)... followed by a close inspection on my part with all the knowledge you guys have given me - Thanks

That or the blue LocTite. That's what my favorite shops use. And I use Dura Ace cogs and lockrings where possible.

I've stripped a coupla hubs. Once in traffic when I tried to accelerate off a red light.......almost went over the bars.I junked that hub.Twice I stripped lockring threads getting too aggro putting the lockring on ( and possibly not being careful w/ initial threading of it). In one of these instances there was enough meat left on 'em to get a lockring back on w/ red loctite ( I've had no probs using the red stuff and being able to remove if I wish to) and a front brake for insurance. I am still riding that hub 8 months later. I have since stopped using Suzue and went to a Phil rear since it was only like 25 bucks more than a Promax at the shop I stopped at. And yeah, I was teasing about these forum threads being long and redundant, yet now I find myself bumping this one again.
Karstens, I'd much rather be a victim of hit 'n' run on these boards than on the street, so thanks . Don't hate me for my freedom.

I think the 19th was good, thanks.


Hey, just a point, but it wasn't illegal. I'd gladly take this to PM's about it; please, PM me about it.

ok since this threads been bumped once again i'll give an update. Took the bike to the place that built the wheel for me and discovered that the hub was not stripped (hooray) but that the lockring is not reverse threaded, and both cog and lockring just spun off (In hindsight the threading was obvious when tightening everything down... but hey the obvious has been known to pass right by these blood shot eyes :-)) so everything's tightened down and the bike is once again ridable but i'm stuck wondering what kind of sh*t *ss hub am i riding?

I can deal with not skidding and skipping and making sure everything is tight till i get enough dough together for a legit fixed gear bike if i have to, but my question now i guess is will locktite (which colour?) do the trick and give me a level of safety which would allow for occasional skids and such? If so should i locktite the cog and lockring or one and not the other?

Oh AND i'm a little pissed at the guy who built the wheel for me... I told him while i was planning on running a front brake for now I might change my mind in the future, and then when i go in and tell him I was skipping and skidding he just laughs and say "oh that'll happen on this hub, definitely not for skidding, you'll wanna get a new wheel for that!" WTF, I think he should have at least told me about that before i bought it... Oh and apparently there's no warranty on "messenger" equipment, or fixies "if your skidding with them," so i'm lucky i didn't strip the thing. Everytime i'm in there getting something like bar tape or brake cables: "are you messenging with that thing?" Me: "No, thinking about it but No"... Ah well... c'est la vie. At least I
know where I'm NOT shopping from now on.

Sorry for the long post, but i got papers that need doin, and procrastination makes them go so much smoother ;-)

wait... the guy at the lbs built and sold you a suicide hub? wtf is THAT?

....he just laughs and say "oh that'll happen on this hub, definitely not for skidding, you'll wanna get a new wheel for that!"


tell me your from philly. i had a similar sitch wit my first fixed at a p.o.s. bike shop here. also are they Quando wheels?

Not philly, i'm in ottawa ON. the hub is marked iL joytech but i can't find any info on them online... anyone heard of these before? I googled but all it came back with was sites selling joytech hubs not a joytech site itself. The rims are labelled Damco. Needless to say I'm quite pissed.

When I went to the shop to get the wheel built, I declined his offer to convert the hub i had cause i'd heard that it was unsafe... I can't really decide if i should go back and complain and try and get a legit wheel outta the guy... it's just this little used bike place, and too be quite honest the guy seems a little out to lunch.

He did build it super cheap so i'm thinking i'll just cut my losses on the hub, buy a legit hub that'll get me through the winter and get another store to build the wheel for me... or build it myself. Then i'll wash my hands of this whole situation and get an IRO or something, at least that way I can keep this bike as a winter commuter/errand runner as was originally planned.

Ha ha ha! Three pages of posting and people trying to determine whether or not he stripped his suicide hub. This is one of the funniest things I've read in a while. *wipes tears from eyes*

Oh, yeah sorry about that crappy shop. Red loctite is the best loctite for suicides. Rotafixa it on there, too.

just curious, what shop?

As an aside, I still wouldn't ride on a track without a lockring cause you've got to be plenty smart not to backpedal at all, especially when learning. It really is a very small cheap piece of metal that is good for everyones safety.

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I'm sorry about your hub, it really sounds like you got stitched by your LBS as he sold you either a singlespeed hub or a converted road hub. Don't know the best thing to do here, as he obviously knew he was selling a POS wheel even if it was cheap. I would talk to him again and see what can be done, but if he won't replace the wheel then I would never use him again.

He obviously doesn't know what he's doing or worse knows what hes doing and doesn't care.

If you skid or skip you need to invest in your drivetrain as you're putting a ton of stress on it in a way most components weren't designed for. Buy a good rear hub and chain at a minimum.

As for Joytech hubs, I believe they're made in Taiwan. They made a lot of BMX hubs once, which is probably what you have.

I'm thinking i'll probably go back and just say that i want a new hub and i'm happy to pay the difference in price between the two hubs. If that's a no go then i'll just cut my loses and go somewhere else. Also I'm a little embarassed about this whole thing... I guess the possibility of it being a suicide hub never crossed my mind since i had the hub built specifically so it wouldn't be a suicide hub. Thanks for your help and patience everyone.

somebody is reading Guy Debord

Has anyone ever tried putting a small weld (That can easily be chipped out) right on the edge of the lockring? This happened to me (loose lockring) and thats what the mechanic at my lbs told me to do.

If your cog is coming off when you backpedal, it's not tight enough to begin with.