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12-09-05 | 07:23 PM
#53
blacksheep the blemish
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From: Portland/Greendale
Bikes: 1973 Schwinn World Voyageur (manufactured by panasonic), Italvega Super Speciale (fixed, primary ride now), Kona 2004 JTS 10 spd
Originally Posted by Lunigma
but it's a track bike and you draft like crazy on the track, plus most of the drag ('bout 90%) is caused by the rider.
12-09-05 | 07:59 PM
#54
ya'll can't mush me
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From: san diego, ca
Originally Posted by sashae
Read Sheldon. Tubing of the same size and diameter from both aluminum and steel... yes, the steel is stiffer. HOWEVER, aluminum is manufactured with both wider diameter tubing and thicker walls while still remaining light. It's not a 1-to-1 materials comparison.
Carbon in particular can be 'tuned' directionally through the fibre layout for torsional stiffness and vertical compliance, providing an extremely comfortable while stiff ride.
Carbon in particular can be 'tuned' directionally through the fibre layout for torsional stiffness and vertical compliance, providing an extremely comfortable while stiff ride.
As for the carbon, that makes sense with multi-directional carbon (like cranks, and the higher end frames), but that doesn't explain much for carbon tubing. Or is there something I'm misunderstanding here?
Also, what this means is, carbon might be good for the road, where long saddle times and non-ideal road conditions might make riding uncomfortable, but on the track it's really just for bling factor?
As a side note, let's keep the scalpels away from Jose R, lest he starts getting ideas.
12-09-05 | 11:26 PM
#55
Senior Member
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From: NYC
Bikes: Custom DeanUSA El Diente CTI, Rich Adams Track, Johnny Coast Fixed, Argon18 Gallium Pro
Originally Posted by drac_vamp
un chien andalu?
Originally Posted by vomitron
As a side note, let's keep the scalpels away from Jose R, lest he starts getting ideas.
And jesus spoke...
12-10-05 | 08:00 AM
#56
hell's angels h/q e3st ny
Joined: Oct 2005
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From: boston area/morningside heights manhattan
Bikes: surly steamroller, independent fabrication titanium club racer, iro jamie roy--44/16, independent fabrication steel crown jewel--47/17, surly karate. monkey (rohloff speed hub), unicycle
Originally Posted by baxtefer
1. weight means nothing at the track
2. ugly means nothing at the track
3. stiffness is almost everything
4. aero is the rest.
2. ugly means nothing at the track
3. stiffness is almost everything
4. aero is the rest.
12-10-05 | 08:07 AM
#58
如果你能讀了這個你講中文
Joined: Feb 2005
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From: New York
Originally Posted by brunop
the truth is--and this really is the truth, what matters is heart and lungs and legs. again, lance (say) could win on most anything with properly inflated tires. it ain't a cliche--it's not about the bike, it's about the rider.
I read somewhere that given scientific training and nutrition, humans have reached close to their peaks in most sports, and there will likely be fewer and fewer world records broken as time goes by. That may be one of the reasons why gear is so important to elite-level sports, especially a sport like track cycling.
12-10-05 | 08:28 AM
#59
hell's angels h/q e3st ny
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From: boston area/morningside heights manhattan
Bikes: surly steamroller, independent fabrication titanium club racer, iro jamie roy--44/16, independent fabrication steel crown jewel--47/17, surly karate. monkey (rohloff speed hub), unicycle
Originally Posted by genericbikedude
right, but what if some scientist were to make an exact duplicate of lance and give them different bikes? there would be a small difference, but it would make the guy with the better bike have better odds.
I read somewhere that given scientific training and nutrition, humans have reached close to their peaks in most sports, and there will likely be fewer and fewer world records broken as time goes by. That may be one of the reasons why gear is so important to elite-level sports, especially a sport like track cycling.
I read somewhere that given scientific training and nutrition, humans have reached close to their peaks in most sports, and there will likely be fewer and fewer world records broken as time goes by. That may be one of the reasons why gear is so important to elite-level sports, especially a sport like track cycling.
12-10-05 | 08:43 AM
#60
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Originally Posted by brunop
that's a good point. kinda sad though to me that it's come down to that. ugly, over-engineered stuff. it's still fun to watch though.
12-10-05 | 08:50 AM
#61
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From: SW Ohio
Bikes: Classic lugged-steel road, touring, gravel
In MYHO, these kind of frames only look good (and of any real benefit) on geared bikes on the road. Anyways, what is the benefit of carbon on track bikes ridden on the velodrome? To absorb road shock from bumps? What bumps? Can anyone here explain this?
