Opinions on Bare Knuckle/EAI frame
 

Besides butt ugly, how do these frames perform? They look tight, stiff and fast...esp the black. Ive seem them priced from under $400 to $580. Someone has to have an idea or two about this?

the pink is way faster than the black, but you can't beat the green ones for stiffness.

yeaup,
I second the green.

btw, they're not butt ugly :(
Not the yellow bareknuckle that just turned up on FFG and on the Pics thread!

$400 where? tell me plz

yeah, if you gimme a link for $400 my build up starts today.

these guys have some sizes for under 400

http://www.yojimbosgarage.com/salesandspecials.htm

i like the frames, but i do agree on the 1-800-PP-51-DUDU colors.

i'd immediately drop another $100 for a silver sparkle powder coat.

I think the frame looks very nice, but the fork is total vomit. That would be the first thing I'd replace on a Bareknuckle/Nessuno.

you *******. you ****ing bastard, you complete piece of ****. thanks a lot. i know that there's a great deal on a bareknuckle in my size, right at a time when there's no way in hell i can buy a new frame. thanks. i really appreciate it.

There's a horse in the hospital!

They DID have some sizes for under 400, now they only have one size, 48 I beleive, they did have a few more a couple of weeks ago. Do these frames come out in yearly models and so they had to be sold on clearance or is it just a regular end of year tax issue clearance? It'd be nice to know if he'll put any for sale sooner than a year from now.

Uh couldn't you buy a bareknuckle in a hideous color and have it powder coated
aftermarket for that $100 bucks? Then you'd have a one of a kind frame especially if
you killed the powdercoater & and destroyed that color. Yeah that'd be sweet.

Nope, tis the beauty of Marcus's year end sale. he clears out the old stock by offering really great deals on everything in stock and if you're lucky he'll have some really good stuff (this year I think was better than last).

He still has some frames for sale (as listed on the site) but all '06 stuff is not on sale.

i love mine. it's green and stiff, not unlike an un-ripened banana. pics soon, hopefully tonite, as the build is 100% done minus track cranks. 130 bcd 105 road cranks for now. poopy, but the money is GONE. as for the beauty of the beast, they aint a lugged masterpiece, but they are not a fetish or whatever they are called either. those things are hideous looking.

Good, I'd like to hear how the BK rides expecally is there overlap on the front tire? stiffness? acceleration? rear end grip.

this being my first true track frame after about a yearand a half on a conversion,i'm blown away. still getting used to what it is capable of, and how quick it is. very stiff, very tight and responsive, but again, ive never had a track frame to compare it to. threading through trafiic is getting "extension of body"-like, the absolute subtlest movement translate into big results. biggest thing to me is the BB height...i'm so trained to know what lean angle will inevitably end in pedal strike, and even when i push this well past it to where i'm waiting to hear that scrape, i look down, and i still have like 2 inches. sweet! once i trust/ get used to this frame fully, it will be insane. toe overlap...scared the **** outta me at first, but my cages were too big anyways. scaled down to M's, and with 170's i have to lift my toe the TINIEST bit if i'm like threading through cars real slow. this is on the 56. i don't even think about it, it's no problem at all. this bike is stiff, but i definitely would not call it uncomfortable at all, even after so long on a relaxed geo. road frame. i do ride a brooks B17 tho, which takes a lot of the shock out. acceleration...i upped my gear when i built it, so i'm still getting used to that, but again, super responsive, especially from an easy cadence to full sprint to beat the red light. altogether, really plaesed with it. a little more new school than i planned on, but i got a great deal from my friend, who it was too big for. on that note, get a size smaller than you would usually ride, the top tube is deceptively long. i'm 6'1", and the 56 feels good. good luck...

I'm considering getting one of these frames as my first track frame, probably in the spring. I've read plenty about how the frames run big, and how I should get a size smaller than I usually would, but can someone quantify this for me? How are they big? Are the sizes listed on Business Cycles correct? Is your top tube actually 56.5, center to center, msneeri? What about standover?

I'm 6'4", 34" inseam, and I generally look for a top tube around 59. Does anyone have any experience with the larger sizes? Also, I know it's been asked before, but if anyone has concrete geometry numbers (angles, wheelbase, etc.), it would be very appreciated. :)

i'm no measuring ace, not that i really need to be i guess, but i read my top tube at 57.5. i dunno, i'm either used to smaller bikes or it just feels longer for some reason. feels good tho, just not 56 small.

i'm the doctor. you wait in the waiting room.

edit: double check your sources kids. otherwise you'll look like an ass.

sorry man, although you are correct about the 56, not all BK are "square". The size ratio is staggered quite a bit, going from long TT to short
http://www.businesscycles.com/nessuno.htm

Frame Geometry:
Size (center to center) Top tube
48 52.5
50 53.5
52 54.5
54 55.5
56 56.5
58 57.5
60 58.5
62 59.5

believe it or not i'm quite familiar with what center-to-center means. i just didn't put a lot of effort into it and am converting from inches. soooo, can you explain to all of us why it is almost unanimously agreed that they feel larger?

I stand corrected. When I emailed EAI that's what I was told. Nevermind.

Is part of the confusion here that the seat tube is a center-center measurement? It seems like most frames are measured center-top. One of the local shops had a Bareknuckle sized "57", but that's the c-t measure. The c-c measure was 54, and the top tube was 55.5, matching the Business Cycles specs.