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2-leading, 2-trailing

Old 03-01-06, 10:04 PM
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2-leading, 2-trailing

Can anyone provide a photo of a wheel laced two leading, two trailing?

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judah has 3 leading 3 trailing looks sweet
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Old 03-01-06, 10:12 PM
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3L3T does look sweet, but it doesn't work so good on ye olde 32h hubs... I know you get four small-ish "fans," but I've never actually seen a wheel built like this. I'd like to see it before I go ahead and do it.
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Old 03-01-06, 11:57 PM
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http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html

read and click on the links theres links to sites that show you 2 cross.

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Old 03-02-06, 01:11 AM
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Here's the link, since it is a bit hard to find:
http://www.terminalvelocity.demon.co...ild/notyet.htm
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huh, looks cool if you can find a 40 hole rim. heh, it makes a pentagram by the hub.
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Old 03-02-06, 10:02 AM
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2l2t would have 4 sets of groupings rather than the 3 you see in 3l3t. I personally like the look of 3l3t better than 2l2t.
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Originally Posted by nitropowered
I personally like the look of 3l3t better than 2l2t.
Me too, but (as stated above) ye hubs be 32h.
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yaay~~!! have fun
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Thanks for the photo - that looks nice! How's it holding up on the rear?
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No problems with it going out of true, despite constant hitting of potholes and some incidences of carrying a human on the rear rack. Unfortunately, I stripped the hub (while trying to remove the cog <_<) and I think I have to take it apart now. The wheels I'm currently using are both 3l3t, btw, and they work really nicely as well.
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bumping this thread, as I just ordered some new hubs and am tossing around the idea of doing 2L2T lacing. I have a 3L3T wheelset with a coaster brake that is holding up just fine, but was looking to see if anyone else has experience with 2L2T or some more pictures.
the wheelset is going to be a 32h high flange hub with a deep rim so the spokes will be a bit shorter, but I'm still a bit curious how the power transfer might be with this pattern.
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Old 08-02-06, 12:04 PM
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Hey Ryan,

I did wind up doing 2L2T in the front. It looks like this:



It has held up just fine. I need to update my velospace picture... so many changes...

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I'm thinking of lacing a 24h 40mm Deep V with a 2 leading 2 trailing (2L2T) pattern on both the rear and the front. I've diagrammed out the rear wheel, and attached it. On a 24h rim it inherits this awesome three-axis pattern, instead of 2L2T's usual four axis pattern.

Does anyone have reason to talk me out of trying?

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Old 08-29-11, 05:10 PM
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First post is a five year old bump... wow. Anyhow, Why not go for a lace pattern that performs well and saves weight rather than one the looks cool? I mean, won't 2l2t on the rear flex a lot? I'm no wheel builder, but it just seems that it may not be the best bet. Also, won't it result in longer spokes which will weigh more and slow you down? Just my $0.02.
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Old 08-29-11, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmytango View Post
First post is a five year old bump... wow.
Yeah. Given the option of creating a new thread (adds noise) or to post in an ancient, but relevant one, I choose to revive.

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Anyhow, Why not go for a lace pattern that performs well and saves weight rather than one the looks cool?
This time around, it's all about looking cool, and making the bike fun to have and ride. It's designed to be a gateway drug, for a very light rider to get into biking again.

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I mean, won't 2l2t on the rear flex a lot?
I'm not sure; I've come here for advice.

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Also, won't it result in longer spokes which will weigh more and slow you down?
Now that's interesting. When you say that longer spokes would slow you down, is that strictly a weight thing, or is there an air resistance component to that argument?
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Old 08-29-11, 05:38 PM
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I'm more of a "point a-point b as fast as possible" kinda guy. Longer spokes weigh more. Negligibly so, but still. If it will get you back into riding, do it. and, now I wanna hear from an actual wheel builder about this flex thing. As I said before, I don't know a lot about building wheels, but just looking at it makes me think about flex.
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Old 08-29-11, 07:26 PM
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Here's a 2L2T 32h alternative. When you go from 24h to 32h, you lose the three axis pattern. Thoughts?

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Old 08-29-11, 07:38 PM
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Check my sig. I used 3L3T on the front. I haven't ever had to true the wheel in three years
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Old 08-29-11, 08:23 PM
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Hmm... Anyone else have input? Is 3l3t stronger?
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…and just to be clear, I'm less interested in a debate between the relative strength of 3L3T lacing vs. 2L2T lacing, as I am in hearing "2L2T will be fine on a rear 24h 40mm deep rim with a 110 lbs rider" or "your girlfriend is going to die on those rims dude, and you're going to have to live with the guilt and loss for the rest of your natural life." Which one is it?
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Old 08-30-11, 01:45 AM
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probably the one where one does not have to justify your wants and needs.

Your biek, bro. Go for it. Or go standard three cross. Whatevs.
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Old 08-30-11, 06:24 PM
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A 110lb rider will be just fine on that, and no offense meant but especially a female rider. At 155lb with lots of energy and large legs I would still feel just fine using a 24h 2L2T rear. There is a chance hitting any big potholes it will need to be trued, but that only takes 5 minutes once you get the hang of it.
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Old 08-30-11, 11:35 PM
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That 24h 2L2T looks wonky. The spokes do not alternate between drive and non-drive like the 32h version does.
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Old 08-31-11, 12:08 AM
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pretty sure this is 2l2t
it looks way nice
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