fsa's track chainring.

looks way better on other cranksets though

here's the reason:
I asked DW about this bike a while back. It seems an unknowing mechanic ruined the headtube, rendering the bike useless. Unfortunate incident.

I think it is pretty cool that it is going in a restaurant. Bike culture can exist and gain support outside of short pants and over-priced, boutique frames ya know...;)

If I ever own a bar or restaurant, I will decorate it AD NAUSEUM with cycling memorabilia and mementos. Get ready for Goldsprints and doubleshots of Wild Turkey...

Yeah, the stays and fork are awsome on that bike, and the welds are amazing. It's only similar to Pake, and IRO in color scheme. Tell me though, how you can tell that the geometry is significantly different than a Pake or an IRO (which are quite different from each other). Most track frames differ by about .5-1 degree from 74º. I want to know how you can tell from a picture on the interweb that that frame is a "WAY steep" 75.5º rather than the "relatively slack" Pake at 75º, or the "way slack" Mark V at 73º for that matter. I'm sorry, but even in person with a good protractor .5 degrees is well within the margin of error.

People seem to go around assuming that cheap track frames are "slack" and expensive frames are steep. Frame geometry is simple math, and it doesn't cost a fortune to copy a proven formula. I'm sure those .5º do make a palpable difference to the rider, but that doesn't mean a top rider might not choose a slack geometry if it suited their riding style, or their body type, and the custom geometry on a custom built frame is only custom to the one person it was designed for. For the rest of us either it fits or it doesn't just like the off the rack frames most of us ride.

You know that Applebee's ad whereinwhich the local retired/fired basketball coach takes a last look around the gym, sighs wistfully, and is taken to Applebee's by his wife, and the waitress is like, "Uh, Coach, could you help me with something," and it's some framed photo honoring the coach she needs to hang up? This sort of thing would happen a lot at "Li'l Trackster's."

Ok, someone help me get this straight here:

lugged - easily repairable
fillet braze - ??
tigged - really hard to repair, most likely going to eff the heat treating?

What's the red thing on the seatpost? Catapult eject button?

That deploys the drag chute.

http://www.microwaves101.com/content.../shortbus1.jpg

DW says the bike has "standard don walker track geometry," which I read somewhere else was 75 degree seat tube and 74.5 degree head tube (or maybe vice versa?) - that's for a bike designed to be an all-arounder rather than event-specific. The published geometry for the Angus is something like a 73 degree seat tube and 72 degree head tube. I can "tell," I guess, because I have a stockpile of useless bike-related trivia in my brain. That, and the pretty internet pictures look different. I have no idea what the Pake's geometry is, but I'm guessing the person who compared the DW to the IRO and the Pake doesn't either. Hence it being a silly thing to say.

Please don't make assumptions about what I may or may not assume to be true. Thanks.

Well said.

yes, but with old cycling socks and worn-out tires. And a picture of three-eyed Bib!

I am not sure of the name though. Lil' Tracksters, while a good name, will not drawn in the big bucks like McTrackie O'Hooligan's.

eddiebrannan, thank you. It's 9:15 AM on the west coast and I'm laughing out loud at work. Awesome.

*curtseys*

yea thanks eddie and the other person who pointed out all the differences.. i woke up at 3am.. couldnt really sleep.. read that iro comment and almost threw my computer... when did the only gauge of measuring stuff become how long it lasts? dam gutterpunks need to learn the enjoyment of a product while its lasting.. not just how long it lasts for.....WORD!

ps.. im into that small type walker logo...

Pake Geometry: 75.3 seat tube 74.3 headtube. headtube and seat tube are about the same length as each other. In other words typical all-around track geometry.

I assumed that since you pointed out the drastically different geometry that you assumed that the Pake had geometry that was significantly different than the DW. It doesn't. I didn't mean to single you out though.

It's getting to be a pet peeve. I'm just a little tired of hearing people on this board parrot "way slack geometry" without even taking the trouble too look up the specs and compare them. I admit I'm no expert on frame geometry, and I'm sure the nuances beyond the very basic angles and lengths are significant, but if you're gonna talk about how drastically different one frames geometry is from another, I'd love it if you could back it up with some concrete information about what the differences really are. I'd love to hear someone say "sure it's only .2 degrees, and a couple of mmm here or there, but the overall effect in this particular frame is ____ because ____." Instead all we get is. "Those frames have way different geometry" Yeah? How?

The Pake a cheap track frame not anywhere on par with Don's worst Monday frame I'm sure. There are probably some very subtle differences in geometry that make a palpable difference in the handling of the frame, but you'd be hard pressed to ever tell since the differences in materials and workmanship are much more significant.

Great looking bike, Don!

that bike looks rad, but those fsa cranks and ring still piss me off. they look like a black/carbon tupperware lid.

Tracklebee's!

That's so terrible it's perfect.

T.G.I.N.J.S.

ok.... seriously.... WHAT THE **** DOES "NOS" MEAN??!?!? its driving me ****ing crazy

NOS = new old stock. old stock of an item that is in new condition. ie: pair of pedals from the 70s that have never been used, and are thus in "new old stock" condition.

i seriously want to kiss you right now.

thank you.

no sweat. its a weird one to try and figure out.