Don walker question. . .
 

why are you gonna display the bike listed on the FGG in an eating establishment?? seems like a waste of a great looking, functional machine. . . .

URLS on the bike = trashy adverts

agree 100%

Just go ahead and delete/lock this thread because it is probably going to get nasty.

im confused... what is DW being picked on for now?

no one is picking on DW, i just don't understand why a gorgeous bike would be displayed in a restaurant(sp?). . . .

why?

maybe it's a bike themed restaurant.

bah humbug

if by "get nasty" you mean dance naked, well, there's potential for that at any time, any thread.

It looks like an IRO. Or a Pake.

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no.

yes. imo.

the welding on the DW is vastly superioir to that of an iro or a pake. . . .

Racism!

likely. Still, i've never known an iro or pake to fall apart. And the welding still doesn't save it from looking like everything else.

point taken. . .

its called "making a living" i believe

I like those knurled Shimano headsets. Too bad they stopped making the wrenches...

Dude, why don't you try emailing him instead of posting a new message to this bike forum?

Except for the fastback stays, the fork, the track ends, the seatpost clamp, the fact that it's fillet brazed rather than TIG'ed, and the actual, like, geometry. The only thing that bike has in common with an IRO or a pake is the fact that it's a black track bike. Jimeny!

You don't need it. Just use one of these.

As for the point of this thread....if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.

Speaking of Don Walker...

Fantastic buildup and frame! I'm very impressed.

Will somebody tell me what's up with that chainring? It looks like an FSA, but I can't really tell...

fsa's track chainring.

looks way better on other cranksets though

here's the reason:
I asked DW about this bike a while back. It seems an unknowing mechanic ruined the headtube, rendering the bike useless. Unfortunate incident.

I think it is pretty cool that it is going in a restaurant. Bike culture can exist and gain support outside of short pants and over-priced, boutique frames ya know...;)

If I ever own a bar or restaurant, I will decorate it AD NAUSEUM with cycling memorabilia and mementos. Get ready for Goldsprints and doubleshots of Wild Turkey...

Yeah, the stays and fork are awsome on that bike, and the welds are amazing. It's only similar to Pake, and IRO in color scheme. Tell me though, how you can tell that the geometry is significantly different than a Pake or an IRO (which are quite different from each other). Most track frames differ by about .5-1 degree from 74º. I want to know how you can tell from a picture on the interweb that that frame is a "WAY steep" 75.5º rather than the "relatively slack" Pake at 75º, or the "way slack" Mark V at 73º for that matter. I'm sorry, but even in person with a good protractor .5 degrees is well within the margin of error.

People seem to go around assuming that cheap track frames are "slack" and expensive frames are steep. Frame geometry is simple math, and it doesn't cost a fortune to copy a proven formula. I'm sure those .5º do make a palpable difference to the rider, but that doesn't mean a top rider might not choose a slack geometry if it suited their riding style, or their body type, and the custom geometry on a custom built frame is only custom to the one person it was designed for. For the rest of us either it fits or it doesn't just like the off the rack frames most of us ride.

You know that Applebee's ad whereinwhich the local retired/fired basketball coach takes a last look around the gym, sighs wistfully, and is taken to Applebee's by his wife, and the waitress is like, "Uh, Coach, could you help me with something," and it's some framed photo honoring the coach she needs to hang up? This sort of thing would happen a lot at "Li'l Trackster's."

Ok, someone help me get this straight here:

lugged - easily repairable
fillet braze - ??
tigged - really hard to repair, most likely going to eff the heat treating?