i have toshi singles, and they're amazingly-made etc etc, but the problem i have with them is that they're so thick that where they come out of the hole beneath the inside of the pedal (mks gr-9) they don't bend but make a wide loop up to the clip. this loop means they catch beneath the crank arm when my foot's not in them, which happens when i'm getting on the bike and starting to ride. i launch with my left foot as usual and when my right foot goes to meet the pedal it's either at a totally weird angle and therefore not where my foot expects it to be from habit, or worse upside down. anyway it's bloody annoying. i'm so used to just getting on the bike and clipping in in one completely natural motion, so ****ing around with one foot or having to look down to see what's going on is a big inconvenience. anyone else encounter this problem and if so how did you deal with it?

Toshis are all I ride(singles for life) and yes I have this problem as well. The problem is not as bad with RX-1s but it still happens. Not sure, but I think there really is no a solution, maybe keep them a little tighter than usual. This is def a Ceya question, always remember you are loved.

Same issue here, although only with some pedals. Dura Ace 7400's basically have a tab that forces the bend in the strap so it stays in place. However, this was generally a problem with toe straps since the dawn of time -- old Campy Records and Superleggera's had the problem as well.

The biggest problem with Toshi's is the beefy lamination. I was helping a teammate with a pair of MKS's that had this problem and finally fitted the straps to identify the precise point where a bend was needed, then removed them, folded and dipped that point in some almost boiling water for about 15 seconds, and then immediately reinstalled them and tied them in position until they cooled. Whether it softened the plastic, the leather, or the glue holding them, it seemed to do the trick and hasn't caused any delamination with a lot of track riding for almost a year. You might try that and see if it helps.

ok i'm not alone. thanks guys. 11.4 i'll try that

wait...why are we riding without are feet in clips? I knew we were crazy...

eddie -- I've actually used some mini zipties before to get them lined up on the pedals as well, if you're lacking the little clip. Helps a great deal, might be worth a shot.

cheers sasha. hey do you guys bother twisting the toshis under the pedals? i always have done that with straps but there doesn't seem to be much point, as thick as these are

I'm running non-Toshi thick laminated straps (Kashimax on one, Silvas on the other) and I don't do twisting. With the zipties, I haven't had problems with them moving around at all. I imagine the situation would be the same with the Toshis.

just saw the campy victory pedals in raygunner's thread and they have a little guide for the straps on the inside for just exactly this problem, as described by 11.4 for the duras. i'll try to rig something. thanks again gentlemen

Sashae reminds of another trick: Wrap a mini zip tie (or just a twist-tie or piece of coated wire) around the toe strap where it goes through the loop in the top of the toe clip. Tighten it up to jam the strap in place, held so that the strap clears the crankarm. I've also seen people drill small holes in the top of the toe clip loop and run a tiny self-tapping screw into the strap (just like you use on strap-caps).

Another cheating way to solve the problem is simply to bend the toe clip up at the top so that it holds the strap in greater tension. It works as a spring to keep the toe strap out of the way until needed. The only downside of this method is that if you pedal on the backside of the pedal, the clip is sticking up an extra inch or so and is more likely to scrape the ground.

In the end, though, the elegant way is to heat-bend the strap. Don't you like to do things the elegant way?

I got a pair of toshis on mks uniqe royal pedals. No problems whatsoever and yeh, I have them twisted. I´ve also had a double-strap on a mks track pedal and no problems there either. Sorry this is no help :E

The point of twisting them is to prevent them from pulling through the slots in the pedals. On most pedals, these straps are tight enough that they aren't going to slip. Do note that twisting them on pedals that are slightly smaller side to side will encourage some of the twisting tension to be transmitted past the pedal frame, making them more prone to hit the crankarms. Also, twisting takes up a couple centimeters of length and the better straps (being mostly Japanese, and made for a population with smaller feet) have gotten shorter in length than old European straps. You may not have those couple centimeters to spare.