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sloppy robot 04-30-06 06:25 PM

daily negativity:
 
chain tugs.... hate 'em.

is it really that hard to center a wheel with correct tension?

kennethalan 04-30-06 06:27 PM

It's not hard. They just make it easier.



They say NJS on them also. Bling.

sloppy robot 04-30-06 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by kennethalan
It's not hard. They just make it easier.



They say NJS on them also. Bling.

i guess you just have to weigh the bling factor of NJS against the fact that they make your previously bling track-ends look like a bad art school installation

raygunner 04-30-06 06:32 PM

My UNO frame was 123 spaced so I should used them but I never did.

slopvehicle 04-30-06 06:33 PM

they make it a little easier to center + tighten a wheel when you don't have the luxury or working in a repair stand.

sloppy robot 04-30-06 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by raygunner
My UNO frame was 123 spaced so I should used them but I never did.

can you explain that? i didnt know spacing had anything to do with it.

mplsminx 04-30-06 06:36 PM

i'm thinking i'm going to need a pair for the surly since no matter how tight i wrench on it, the chain always, always ends up bouncy and slack. not good.

Jose R 04-30-06 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by sloppy robot
can you explain that? i didnt know spacing had anything to do with it.


The axle washer on the MKS chain tugs are 1.5mm thick each.

1.5 + 1.5 = 3mm

Many Keirin frames have 123mm spacing.

sloppy robot 04-30-06 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Jose R
The axle washer on the MKS chain tugs are 1.5mm thick each.

1.5 + 1.5 = 3mm

Many Keirin frames have 123mm spacing.

ah.. i have heard that before.. but you could also just use hub spacers, ya?

chimblysweep 04-30-06 06:43 PM

i'm anti-tensioners. they're just clutter. i can tension my chain myself.

sers 04-30-06 06:45 PM

tensioning and centering are a lot more precise with tugs. they also prevent the axle from slipping, making readjustment less frequent.

it's also a bit faster than the side to side tightning and loosening method

raygunner 04-30-06 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by sloppy robot
ah.. i have heard that before.. but you could also just use hub spacers, ya?

Uh, hub spacers?!

Dude, I don't ride a conversion! Haha!

But my point is that I never did use those silly MKS chain tugs. They'd never allow me to put the wheel all the way foward into the drops (know what I mean?). They subtracted from my fun. So on my UNO I just squeezed the extra 3mm together! Good times!

raygunner 04-30-06 06:48 PM

PS - I do like the new MKS chain tugs more since you can used your finger, there's no need for a hex wrench. I also used to like those Surly ones too since they're simple.

Jose R 04-30-06 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by sloppy robot
ah.. i have heard that before.. but you could also just use hub spacers, ya?


You could use bubblegum for all I care, but the point I was making is that some of the Keirin frames were spaced specifically for use of MKS chain tensioners.


But my point is that I never did use those silly MKS chain tugs. They'd never allow me to put the wheel all the way foward into the drops (know what I mean?).
Why would you need your wheel all the way forward in the track ends?

MKS chain tensioners are useful. I never felt they hindered my ability to put my back wheel wherever I damn well pleased.


i'm anti-tensioners. they're just clutter. i can tension my chain myself.
The MKS are nice and discrete. I can also tension my own chains, etc.

The best system is the Paul Components track ends. My LBS mechanic loves them. The second best is MKS.

~stella 04-30-06 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by chimblysweep
i'm anti-tensioners. they're just clutter. i can tension my chain myself.

i agree.

my bell, and blinkin' light on my seatpost are two too many things complicating a simple track bike.

schnee 04-30-06 07:18 PM

Oh no! Something functional! Hate! Hate!

kennethalan 04-30-06 07:22 PM

Can I get them in anodized Gold?

gregg 04-30-06 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by kennethalan
Can I get them in anodized Gold?

To match your new Suzue hubs

kennethalan 04-30-06 07:31 PM

****.
Anodized frame *****.

Moximitre 04-30-06 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by ~stella
i agree.

my bell, and blinkin' light on my seatpost are two too many things complicating a simple track bike.

pshh.. your seatpost is unnecessary, and so are your handlebars. what kind of chump can't ride no handed while standing on the pedals all day?

hyperRevue 04-30-06 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by sloppy robot
chain tugs.... hate 'em.

is it really that hard to center a wheel with correct tension?

It's not "that hard" but it sure is nice to get dead-on precise chain tension and alignment effortlessly.

kennethalan 04-30-06 07:35 PM

God, Hyper you are so ****ing lazy.

eyefloater 04-30-06 07:38 PM

I got an NJS stamp, now my rack and fenders are NJS. Bling.

schnee 04-30-06 07:44 PM

Oh yes, you *must* tighten your chain with a multi-step process that involves skill, time investment and practice. Otherwise, you're not true fixed-gear culture.

tlupfer 04-30-06 07:47 PM

certain wheels will slide forward no matter the amount of dry humping involved during nut tightening. the mavic ellipse is one good example. i have used mine on various frames, made of various materials and have been able to produce a droopy chain within a few minutes of riding on each. the super smooth locknut surface probably has something to do with it.


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