Ceya

Ok,

Yes you can skid on tubies and it is better than clinchers due to the tread on them.

Yes you can skid newly glued tires also but it has to be good glue.

With 15 plus years messengering on them so I am good at knowing what works.

You can ride home with a flat as long as the rims are anodized. Go a ding is the sun mistrals that are real light and soft.

What did you think they rode on the road before clinchers?

Tubies are not for track only and they make TRACK only tubies anyway.

Cheap tubies are Vittorias Formula One.

S/F<
CEYA!
My riding days are numbered!

dutret

ceya also claims that it is faster to ride around on a flatted sewup all day then it would be to change one. so he may not be the most reliable source of what works even if he does have "15 plus years of messengering on them."


The reason hardly anyone uses them anymore even though most agree they are better in pure performance terms is because they are a hassle and expensive. If you have money to blow by skidding through your tires instead of using a brake they might be right up your alley however.

I suggest the vittoria Pista EVO CS but only if you have an italian frame... It may be hard to find an NJS tire in the states though.

vobopl

I am using tufo S22's - not the lightest nor fastest for races but durable, well holding and long lasting for daily riding. I have 9 skid spots in my current setup and used to have 19.

I do not see how locking the wheel by skidding (unweighted rear) is any worse for the tire than locking the wheel with brake. With brake you short faster ergo the forces on tire are greater.

LóFarkas

It's not worse... But if you have brakes, you don't need to lock the wheels at all. (Great discovery, eh?) Locking the wheel by any method is silly in my book. Esp. if you run expensive tyres designed for racing, that are fussy to replace as well.

p_ill

I ride tubulars without brakes with no issues. I've found that by switching to tubulars I've dramatically reduced the number of flats I get. Keep your tubies inflated well and they'll treat you well.

Skidding on a fresh glue isn't that ridiculous, either... obviously, you're going to try and go easy on it, but I've had great luck with tufo adhesives setting very quickly.

As you said, riding on a deflated tubular isn't the big deal that it is with a clincher. Thats actually a great benefit for those who normally ride without any sort of backup like myself.

get_nuts

noob toob question here, why is it way easier to ride a flat tubular?

dutret

With all the puncture resistant clinchers available this is indicitive of poor tire chioce or poor installation rather then the superiority of tubulars. Each tubular flat is as much hassle as numerous clincher ones too.(Or do you throw out your tires after each flat?)

vobopl

Yeah, I do slow by backpedalling, too. Thanks anyway.

adamkell

tubular rims are almost flat against the road; they don't have the thin ridge wall that clincher rims have.

FatBaldMen

I saw someone here mentioning/reccomending a Continental Gatorskin Tubular I was wondering if this tire came in anything larger that a 700x22c Prefferably a 25c My Lbs says they do not think they do but were not 100% ceartain would anyone here know ? thanks

FatBaldMen

well maybe that was in another thread (now that i reread this entire one) but regardless I would still like to know
thanks again

SamHouston

and if the glue job is good, a flat tire fits in there nicely and doesnt move around too squirrely as they do on a flat clincher. It's easier to ride a flat tubular than it is a flat MTB, but you do still run some risk to the rim. I borrowed a friend racing Vittus with tubulars, the whole bike was sweet, and it wasn't bad flatting & keep riding in the rain, but in the end it worked out badly for me as even when I reached a dry spot, while I knew how to install the backup tire I had, my experience was extremely limited and combined with wet gear it was pretty dicey.

Just a charity ride though, so I didn't REALLY give a hoot

onetwentyeight 

fatbaldmen- that is correct, 22 only.

Bakabon

Riding track bike with tubular on the street is just insane and dump. It require special skill that many of us doesn't have.

p_ill

Perhaps you're right, but I really do feel that I've benefited.

I've had the pleasure of being a mechanic for a number of years and getting to try a variety of tires, both clincher and tubular. When I mentioned seeing a reduction in flats I'm speaking with ride quality in mind. I could put on a pair of gatorskins and be cool for months, but I dont want to sacrifice the ride that some nicer tires can give.

Tubular tires have given me excellent ride quality with surprising flat resistance. It may simply be that I take better care of my tires because I have more invested in them--inflating them before every ride and being careful to avoid hazards on the road. When i run clinchers, I feel they're more disposable and probably treat them as such.

The thing to remember is that tubulars dont pinch flat... and if they're inflated well its unlikely that they will be easily punctured by debris. It is important to make sure you have a lot of skid patches to avoid wearing down a specific area... but the same goes for clinchers.

When i do flat, I normally take the time to repair the tire if theres life left in it. I think its great fun to patch and sew a tubular... but maybe thats not for everyone.

Sorry if I was misleading, but if anyone wants to try tubulars on the road I say go for it. They have a great history and provide a ride that clinchers can only try to mimic.

Bakabon

don't do it..... stay away from tubular.

onetwentyeight 

pill - what tubulars do you use?

Pipebomb

Its not that hard. But using proper grammer isnt either and I can see you havent masterd that yet.

onetwentyeight 

it's, starting a sentence with "but", grammar, isn't, haven't, mastered. bakabon is ESL, what's your excuse?

edit: course, hes a total hypocrite cuz I spent saturday afternoon at his house building up a tubular wheelset that will be ridden on the street, and I didnt hear any complaints then!

Pipebomb

OH snap! Killer burn. Not only am I an ******* but Im a stupid *******.

Bakabon

ahh.. no worry *****

FatBaldMen

OneTwentyEight- Thank you for the information

DARTHVADER

guys i just swtiched to "tubies" on hte street and my avg. commute speed has gone up 12mph.
these tires are so killer awzm. plus they smoke when i do my sweet 180 whip skidz.

kyselad

Why does this thread exist? More importantly, why is it back?

JohnDThompson 

Unlike clinchers, tubulars do not rely on tire pressure to hold the tire onto the rim. A properly glued tubular tire will not roll off the rim even when completely flat. And because tubular rims do not have unsupported sidewalls, they do not produce pinch-flats when ridden under-inflated.