toe clip problem
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toe clip problem
i bought a set of pedals with toe clips for my new fixed and i have the problem of my front foot slipping out most of the time i try to skip stop
it doesnt matter how tight i make it, it always does it.
i even went back to the store and bought bigger toe clips so my feet would fit in better
i've also tried different pairs of shoes because i thought mine were perhaps too wide. that didnt work either.
i tried moving the clamp of the nylon in a different spot. when it was on top of my foot it worked a little bit better, but still not enough for me to stop efficiently, even at slow speeds.
ive ridden my friends fixed a bunch of times and i dont have any problems with stopping at all. its only on mine.
is it possible the pedals are too small?
am i ********?


it doesnt matter how tight i make it, it always does it.
i even went back to the store and bought bigger toe clips so my feet would fit in better
i've also tried different pairs of shoes because i thought mine were perhaps too wide. that didnt work either.
i tried moving the clamp of the nylon in a different spot. when it was on top of my foot it worked a little bit better, but still not enough for me to stop efficiently, even at slow speeds.
ive ridden my friends fixed a bunch of times and i dont have any problems with stopping at all. its only on mine.
is it possible the pedals are too small?
am i ********?


#4
well, they're expensive, but i feel that the toshi straps i bought were perhaps one of the best investments i made. i had some campy nylon ones before and they were slippery and had some flex in them too. they were awful, in fact. the toshis have no slip and no stretch and my foot feels as connected to the pedal as with a clipless system.
ditch the nylons. i suspect they are your problem
ditch the nylons. i suspect they are your problem
#5
It might just be a technique problem. I was really good at skipping/skidding on my beater bike with nylon straps, then couldn't skid for **** on my nice bike with leather straps, my front foot was coming out all the time.
After I did it once on the new bike, though, my confidence was restored and now I can skid just fine. I tried really focusing on pushing down with my back foot, even though I feel like I rely on my front more for power. After I got used to skidding on the new bike, my feet stopped coming out. Just think about your legs and not the straps (and really throw your weight forward) and after you do it a few times you'll be fine.
After I did it once on the new bike, though, my confidence was restored and now I can skid just fine. I tried really focusing on pushing down with my back foot, even though I feel like I rely on my front more for power. After I got used to skidding on the new bike, my feet stopped coming out. Just think about your legs and not the straps (and really throw your weight forward) and after you do it a few times you'll be fine.
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I had the same problem with nylon, but didnt feel like buying more expensive ones..try this...
ok so when your sitting on the bike, look at your left foor, and see how the strap excess points kind of out/to the ground? well take the excess, and make it go over the last poart of the strap clip it just went under(so it now forms a loop around it, and nowjust weave it through back te way it came in..
so looking at picture 2: see how from the bike out it goes: strap under, over, under, over, under and out? just make it now go...strap under, over, under over, under, LOOP BACK over, then over again so its just like the part below it, then under(floowing ht first pass)over, under, and back out. now the excess strap will not be asmuch, and it will point intot he bike instead of away from it
does that make sense?
ok so when your sitting on the bike, look at your left foor, and see how the strap excess points kind of out/to the ground? well take the excess, and make it go over the last poart of the strap clip it just went under(so it now forms a loop around it, and nowjust weave it through back te way it came in..
so looking at picture 2: see how from the bike out it goes: strap under, over, under, over, under and out? just make it now go...strap under, over, under over, under, LOOP BACK over, then over again so its just like the part below it, then under(floowing ht first pass)over, under, and back out. now the excess strap will not be asmuch, and it will point intot he bike instead of away from it
does that make sense?
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You might want to find a pedal with a little more bite to it. A new pair of mks sylvans, or anything else that might grip the bottom of your shoe better.
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Originally Posted by sivat
You might want to find a pedal with a little more bite to it. A new pair of mks sylvans, or anything else that might grip the bottom of your shoe better.
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re: toe clip problem
from your photos it looks like you are using pedals with no "bite" (virtually no serrated edge) and a hard rubber clip with a smooth bottom, neither of which offer much friction to prevent your shoes from slipping out....you could try lowering the rubber clip relative to the pedal platform so your shoe can engage the edge of the pedal for more "bite"...if that doesn't work I would recommend switching to a "rat trap" style pedal (see Harris Cyclery pedal page) and good quality (i.e. not Nashbar) metal clips rather than rubber clips which twist and deform under minimal pressure and provide virtually no gripping force.
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Plastic/rubber clips are bad news, IMO. But nylon straps? What the hell's wrong with those, aside from their apparent lack of street cred? I ride with cheap generic pedals, Cristophe clips, and two sets of nylon straps currently and they're as secure as can be. What's with the hate on nylon straps?
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#12
I went through 2 sets of nylon straps before I decided to get some leather. The first set of straps ripped going downhill and scared the **** out of me. The second set ripped when they got really wet as I was riding home in a rainstorm. This time I was on a flat surface, but it still annoyed me so I decided to get something stronger. I hate buying leather, but I felt it would keep me safer until I get enough funds to buy clipless.
#14
Originally Posted by Fugazi Dave
What's with the hate on nylon straps?
As far as the clips - how would that affect things at all? All the clip does is hold the strap open and provide a guide for your toe (right?); the strap does the work which is why some brave souls rock straps without clips...
#15
I just looked at the pictures the OP listed... the straps are threaded upside down, so the teeth are not going to doing what they're supposed to do to keep things tight. The strap should be pointing up, so you can reach down and tighten it while riding. Might not be the entirety of the problem, but worth a shot...
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Originally Posted by trons
they stretch
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nylos straps and plastice clips are not very good I almost broke my ankle with those I found some pedals with plastic clips that have a little side wall to em at a shop locally they are wellgos and were like 12 bucks also your runners aren't going to work very well get some addidas or puma indoor soccer shoes they padding in the tounge also helps with the wear on your instep
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Perhaps the problem is your ridiculous gearing. From what I can see in the picture, it looks like you're riding something like 52-16. If the gearing is too steep and you can't hold the skid, your foot will probably fall out.
A lot of things affect skidding. There's handlebars, body position, tires, terrain, etc. in addition to what's already been mentioned.
For now, I think you should work on your technique and get a brake.
A lot of things affect skidding. There's handlebars, body position, tires, terrain, etc. in addition to what's already been mentioned.
For now, I think you should work on your technique and get a brake.
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Originally Posted by Retem
nylos straps and plastice clips are not very good I almost broke my ankle with those I found some pedals with plastic clips that have a little side wall to em at a shop locally they are wellgos and were like 12 bucks also your runners aren't going to work very well get some addidas or puma indoor soccer shoes they padding in the tounge also helps with the wear on your instep
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skidding is hard with a flexy chainring like yours.
Your main problem is probably technique.
But try bullhorns and chop and flops at the end of a very long stem. Get pedals with some teeth.
Use a better gearing, like 46x18, 46x16. (you can get a good ring cheap from salsa (QBP) and you mount it on some 170 cranks with 110 spacing.
But the main thing is your shoes. New Balance are terrible for bikes. They are vitually a uniform for some people, but trust me, get some adidas shelltoes and you will be all set. Anything with a smoothish sole and a compact body and no foam in the shank.
Good luck.
Your main problem is probably technique.
But try bullhorns and chop and flops at the end of a very long stem. Get pedals with some teeth.
Use a better gearing, like 46x18, 46x16. (you can get a good ring cheap from salsa (QBP) and you mount it on some 170 cranks with 110 spacing.
But the main thing is your shoes. New Balance are terrible for bikes. They are vitually a uniform for some people, but trust me, get some adidas shelltoes and you will be all set. Anything with a smoothish sole and a compact body and no foam in the shank.
Good luck.





