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We'll I cant answer that, because I hit my head and don't really remember the accident. Maybe I'd be able to answer that question if they'd stayed and been able to tell their side of what had happened.
You are arguing a moot point. I am not blaming them, and I have taken responsability for my own actions. I'm not after this mystery driver, its a waste of my time and energy AND a lost cause, I just want to get better and get back on a bike. |
ugh. peace out bikeforums, have fun in your little corner of the internet.
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dutret, are you saying what the driver did was right?
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Originally Posted by dutret
If he cares more about the look of his vintage bike and speed then his safety he gets no sympathy from me when his recklessness gets him hurt. There are plenty of people who actually are riding legally and reasonably safely and still get creamed by cars. **** like this makes rightly makes everyones default expectation that the cyclist was at fault.
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no I said it was both legally and morally wrong and I said it was reprehensible. It is understandable however.
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heal fast 128.
dutret clam down. i got creamed a couple month ago, riding legally, person took off, i blacked out and recall very little about the accident and cant remember anything about the vehicle who hit me. so whats the difference between my situation and 128's? looks like it doesnt matter whose fault it is, the driver in a bike-car crash is going to take off. |
128, heal up fast mayne.
dutret, you're makin my loins growl again. |
dutret, have you considered the possibility that the driver was under the influence? that would be one reason why someone would speed off after hitting someone.
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Indeed I have, I even mentioned that as a likely cause. 128 was still running through an intersection and still at fault. In any ethical sense two drunks pretty much equal each other out as far as the drinking goes.
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Originally Posted by onetwentyeight
got creamed by a hit and run a week ago. one wheel is tacoed, the other shattered. frame is bent from what I told but I havent seen it yet since the cops are holding it for evidence still. ****ers. No broken bones, but one tooth was knocked out, one twitsed around in its socket, and another chipped severely. There is a metal wire stabalizing my teeth while the two damaged teeth around the one knocked out heal up. I will need surgery to remove the root of the one knocked out, then need 2 root canals and an implant. I have nasty road rash on my knees to the extent I cant bend my left leg. Road rash on my face too, stitches in my chin, scrapes on the side of my jaw, face, and nose. Possible fracture of my upper jaw. I had a concussion, too, I think. Could have been much worse but I'm facing upwards of 5grand in dental bills. So yea. ride safe, and **** cars. if anyone sees a dented car with blood on it in san francisco, huck a ulock thru their window. I was ahead of my friends when I got hit, and the other witness car split, too. No idea what the make was, or lisence, and I dont really remember much about the accident so I am not even sure on the color but I'm told silver.
BLAH. |
It took a lot, but I, too, have added dutret to my ignore list.
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Originally Posted by sivat
It took a lot, but I, too, have added dutret to my ignore list.
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dammit, dutret caused 128 to leave the forums! Way to go buddy, you're a real peach.
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I'm sure he'll be back soon so that everyone can continue offering sympathy for his reckless endangerment of himself and others.
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onetwentyeight, heal fast brother! Karma is a ***** and it's coming for that driver. Who's at fault is a moot point. There was an accident involving two parties and one of them left, leaving a fellow rider down. Here's to getting better! Hope everything works out okay. What size frame are you looking for? PM me for details!
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Well we gotta make up the deficit since all you offer is hate and condemnation.
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I am not a lawyer, but it's best not to discuss who's at fault or admit to anything that may or may not have happened without first seeking legal counsel. You wouldn't want to incorrectly incriminate yourself.
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128, come back!
What part of town were you in? Not that it matters. Just glad you're sorta okay. Walking, talking, etc. The scenarios just get worse from there. Yes, Bernie can fix it. The man can fix everything. (Just don't mention ANY political ANYTHING while you're there.) Oh yeah, and Dutret, kiss my ass. |
I also offer useful advice and, admittedly rarely, sympathy.
It's kinda funny reading this after the "who's responsibility" thread. |
heal fast 128.
dutret... tra, tra, tra, try a little tenderneeeeeeeeeessssssssss!!!!! |
Seriously Dutret... shut the **** up. It was a hit and run by a car vs a bicycle. Who gives a ****? Someone is now seriously hurt because some ****tard couldn't man up to what they did.
Adam... I hope you heal up perfectly. **** that ***** in the car, and be safe. I hope somehow someone finds the car driver. |
Adam, I was run over by a truck three weeks ago, and the cop gave me a ticket*while I was in the ambulance with a crushed foot (truck ran over my foot and bike).
The key to my healing is that I focus on getting better, not feeling sorry or guilty about myself. Or feeling hate for the driver. Or the need for compensation of any kind. A bike will come your way. Watch and see. Stay positive. You survived for a reason. It could have been much worse. You obviously are needed here on earth.:) *Officer Dutret? |
Originally Posted by DoshKel
Seriously Dutret... shut the **** up. It was a hit and run by a car vs a bicycle. Who gives a ****? Someone is now seriously hurt because some ****tard couldn't man up to what they did.
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you guys are taking what Dutret says too seriously (or atleast getting too offended by it) he has a point. I too wanted to know who was at fault or atleast what the details of the wreck were. I'm not going to say too much about this or that or whether he should've had a brake or not, but one thing to consider is, he said he was turning right and the car in the closer lane slowed to let him in but the car in the further lane is the one that hit him. I know mistakes happen and accidents and **** but to fly out into traffic when you should be yeilding AND to have to take both lanes is disastrous as 128 found out. Maybe the first car that slowed acted as a blind spot for the car that actually hit 128...that absolutely gives no right for that driver to keep on driving but it is very possible that happened.
128, sorry to hear about your accident dood. EDIT: i re-read that post about what happened, i now see the inside lane car hit him and the outside lane driver saw him. |
Originally Posted by dutret
How? 128 is injured because he lost control of his bike and rode out into traffic. If the driver had stayed he would still be just as injured and his bike just as wrecked. Why does it matter if it was car vs bike or car vs car or bike vs bike. The driver hit someone and he should have stayed but the fact that he didn't did not in any way worsen 128s condition since there were thankfully other people there to get help for him.
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Originally Posted by dutret
Also see the thread about whose responsibility is riding safe. This is exactly where taking responsibility for your own recklessness comes in.
if you gonna try to make your point here like how you has been doing.. then shut the **** UP... get the **** out.. your crap make people angry.. it doesn't matter if you think you are right or not JUST **** OFF... |
Originally Posted by onetwentyeight
yea, stan miles. i am gonna talk to bernie mikkleson to see if he can repair it. i love that thing too much to let it go. and yes, my friends here have been beyond amazing in helping me out.
no helmet, but i've learned my lesson. never again. like i said, i got lucky. sorry to hear that I hate hearing about nice vitage rides getting trashed..... |
128, sorry to hear about your misfortune. hope you
heal quickly and that stan miles can get back in action... |
Originally Posted by DoshKel
Your right, but losing control of the bike wasn't intentional, so it isn't like he decided to bomb some intersection and large hill on purpose. If a man is walking down the street, trips into an intersection and gets hit, is he at fault. The way I am taking this accident is that Adam was riding his bike, something went wrong, he lost control,tried to fix it by going into the flow of traffic and away from the intersection, and some driver came up and hit him in the inside lane. Yes, Adam got in trouble because of losing control and the accident was most likely not intentional, but the fact that it happend and the driver was too ****ing stupid to stay and help out, makes it the drivers fault completely.
either way, heal up and get back out there. |
How many times do we have to remind 128 of the facts of his condition?
Stay on topic, this thread was created to help him find a temporary budget frame. How would you feel in his place? Everyone here has made a mistake before.... If you have a suggestion for a frame in his size, offer it. No one asked for legal opinions. Now back to our regular program... Adam, the Bike Kitchen & Swap Meet sound like excellent ideas. PM those guys, and you will be taken care of. |
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