or sometimes it's necessary to have a custom bike made in order for the bars to *not* sit 4 inches below your saddle.

Guys, this is definitely a fit that's aiming for comfort. Without any slope in the top tube, you won't have much seatpost showing and will achieve the near-level saddle to stem drop. Maybe you should be reconsidering your conception of a custom road/track frame to include fits that aren't just "performance". If most of you were put through a fit kit, your current set-ups with ridiculous saddle to stem drop would fall into the red, "not recommended" category. But since the majority of you are young and dumb (like myself), your body and your mind tell you otherwise. Now back to my pursuit bike with 6" of drop.

Also, glad to see some of his work posted here; I was considering having SW Frameworks do a track end retrofit on an old Bianchi of mine and have always wanted to have some Paul ends with the built in tensioners!

I've talked to David several times about getting a frame. After seeing this post on the other forum and reading the owners' report about the bike I'm sold. I didn't see his name listed for your show. Will he be there? I'd like to see some of his other work.

haha, not saying homesnake can't ride it or set it up teh way he likes, just saying yuck.

I stumbled on this link by accident. This frame is mine. As for the fit, I wanted this bike for long rides. I ride 8,000+ miles/yr. I don't race and I ride purely for pleasure. I've ridden this bike about 200 miles so far and I will probably take out two of the spacers but I prefer a more upright position...

cheers