That pedalforce frame is used by a stupid number of companies for TT bikes. 130mm spacing though.

http://www.karbona.com/pro/b-1-4-7-b.jpg

I think they do it for less than $800 shipped anywhere in the world. They have great communication but if you ask them about the frame, careful cause they think you are buying one and will write up an invoice.

email out to EAI, we'll see if they respond

A) Curtlo doesn't make track bikes
B) $755 is for a mountain bike

Why even bring this up?

A. Yes they do.
B. You can get a custom mountain or road/track frame for $755.

moki said: "2nd hand NJS frames, except for maybe 3Renshos and Nagasawas, run $4-700, including a quality BB and HS. If you know of a builder who can even come close to that price, I'd like to know."

Curtlo = $970 with a fork.

i think this bike has to be affordable lugged steel, or maybe Ti. There are just too many good welded steel and Al frames out there. I think Rivendell gets some of their frames brazed in Taiwan. Probably the Bleriot, which I've seen for mebbe $550m and that's with a hot paint job.

I think if trying to get a group buy from a framebuilder would be a bad idea. Why not look into bulk purchases of existing retail frames? People do it with car parts all the time.

More like $750, and thats bottom of the line overseas tubing/labor. The paint job isn't special at all, and it uses 650b wheels.

It's really heavy too.

Count me in for a CF frame.

greg want bareknuckle! greg want bareknuckle!! someone send the e-mail.

its been done

hmmm, i'm late to this thread, but it sure has potential.

As much as I support the idea of getting a run of relatively affordable Ti frames for everyone, I think the idea of a cheap steel or Al frame, designed to be a total beater would be easier to pull off. I think there are a lot of us on the forums that simply don't have 900 kicking around to drop on a bike on short notice, or even 500. I certainly don't, nor do I have the money to drop to outfit a 500 dollar frame (admittedly this is because I just bought a new mountain bike, but still).

However, if you said I could get a beater steel frame for a $100, I'd say hell yeah, I've got parts kicking around that I could throw on that and what I don't have I wouldn't mind being cheap on. Also, I think we'd be more likely to see people do some crazy **** with the frames and come up with some interesting builds, whereas if you throw everyone here a Ti frame, you're going to see a bunch of superlight racing builds. Hot, yes, but not all that interesting especially if there's a lot of them.

anyway, just my .02

i'm with bluedog,
sub $250 AL or steel frame (in a color other than black)
and I'd be really interested...
ex: iro mark v in a custom color
of course I don't sell frames for a living so I don't know how easy that is

i don't see $100 happening. if you really want a steel beater, there are plenty of older frames kickin around that you can get on craigslist or ebay.

I bet ~$150 or so for a IRO/pake level frame could be done with enough people.

I would be down for this. For some a Mark V would be a step up from a gaspipe conversion frame. For the folks with $3000 rides it would be more of a beater-ish thing.

It also seems the most easily doable of all of the options mentioned.

I'll email tony

i'd love a mark V. send the e-mail!

is this just for the frame, or frame and fork?

small problem is still that not all frames would be the same size -
I would be in if I can get a real 58cm frame+carbon fork

Frame only might be nice, since we might never all agree on a fork.

What do you guys think of a IRO type frame, and have a framebuilder like jacobs make a limited series of custom forks we can choose from?

Win-win?

Count me in for a bareknuckle if this gets off the ground.
Not for me. I'm looking for a step up from a Soma Rush.

I pretty much just threw $100 out there as a random number. I would happily pay 'bout 250 for something like this, as 8oh4 says, but 500 - 900 without some serious planning is out of my realm of possibility for a good while.

i'd be in if i don't go broke from it and if it's a good quality frame. CF would be sick, but i don't see that happening.
what makes bareknuckle so great? (not that i'm saying they aren't great, i just don't know much about them)

Brassknuckles? Why not, see if they can do it in a better colour cause the khaki colour is pure s***. If its below $500, aluminium (maybe steel), with no fork then I'm in.

pretty sureyou can get a brassknuckle for 300 or so already. it's aluminum. and that's with a fork.

Italian Dedacciai steel, no-nonsense aggressive track beast. No decals. Good value. Lots of good feedback from owners, search here and fixedgeargallery forums. (Businesscycles.com link)

I know, but if you could get them for $150 or even $200 each, then that'd be a good deal. I specifically don't want a fork, I have enough carbon forks to outfit any bikes.