New fixed eno hub
 

some new proprietary thing? more info please?

Looks like a Miche cog with the carrier installed on the hub already. This allows you to drop on different sized cogs while only removing the lockring. However strange that there appears to be no lockring threads. What's up?

Wow, great thread youve started.

New White Ind.fixed hubs
 

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A return email from White Ind.

We will have production hubs available this summer.

Best regards,
Lynette Toepfer

eccentric fixed... sweet! There is a solution for a problem some people may have had! huh, Dutret?

They may have read your post about their crankset! :rolleyes:

What chainline do you think can be achieved with them? Would they be kind enough to make them fixed/fixed??

Maybe our input would help!

Funny...they already have an eccentric fixed gear hub. What's the use for this Miche clone?

Better system? Or they now make cogs compatable to the miche splined system perhaps.

No, this is a brand new system. And it looks like the "carrier" is part of the hub to me.

Look at the cogs mingling in with the glass beads... it seems that white industries has perfected the 8 million tooth cog.

im sure the cogs will be bloody expensive. what was wrong with the first eno hub, anyways

Those are chainrings for the eno crank.

http://psyclestore.com/images/Crank-White-Ind.jpg

Eh, I won't have to roll my pants as high?

Proprietary cog system. Great ****ing idea White Industries. You are the man!

Man, that is the worst "upgrade" ever. For real, who wants an interface that's known to develop play? Esp. if you can use the same interface on top of your regular threading if you really want.

i figured they could be chainrings but are they just plopped on with no bolts to go with or some sort of gypsy "crank lockring" type deal? Damn pointless.

Wouldn't it be boring if manufacturers never tried anything new?

Have the Eno cranks interface been developing play?

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The tolerance of the splined system is very tight.
This hub then takes a standard lockring to hold the cog.

If I understand correctly, isn't the Eno hub off-set to
allow bikes with vertical drop-outs easy conversion
to fixed gear or single- speed? How many people
with their fixed gear Trek 1200s are looking to change
their cog multiple times a day like a track sprinter
does? Seems like a solution looking for a problem.

next they will probably come out with a double fixed cog, to go with their double FW so you can run a SS with four different gear ratios. that will be pretty cool.

their chainrings use the same spline with is vastly different than miches. miches develop play, WI does not. WI has oodles of cranks out there, if the chainring was developing play they wouldnt go ahead and use the same interface on the hub. this splined interface completely eliminates the chance of a loose cog leading to a stripped hub, which gets posted here at least once a week. sounds like a solution to a real problem. i love my eno cranks.

Weell, I was supposing it's the same as the Miche which has given users a lot of grief. Apparently, this one has more teeth and they are less wawy, more pointed and the sides are at greater angles. So this is better engineering than Miche, and it should hold up better.

Regardless, it's pretty ******** to come up with yet another proprietary system that's never really going to fly anyway. This pointless system still needs a fricking lockring wrench. Why the eff not make it bolt-on, I ask. Much more solid, much more reliable, cheaper as you don't even need splines, you don't scare off customers with a prorietary cog system and every moron can mount the cogs with a multitool.

surly already makes one

I kind of feel like some of you are missing the fact that these can't just spin off. There isn't any perpendicular forces pushing the cog toward the lock ring during use. Thats the advantage, its not just some proprietary idea for the sake of being different.

http://www.businesscycles.com/graphics/tcog-miche2.jpg
This one is not at all like the miche(which incidentally was designed for track use and works well for that). And unlike their stupid splined cranks this actually does solve a real problem. Thread on cogs are a bad idea. They get stuck, they loosen, they tighten they strip hubs etc. It's just not a good way to connect a cog to a hub.

That said I don't think a splined interface is that great of a choice. Bolt on makes more sense and using the disk standard makes everyones life easier and doesn't lock you into WI parts(which i'm starting to think is their only design goal these days). Thier are two drawbacks to this however. One is minimum cog size but really that doesn't seem like much of an issue. The other more serious drawback is freewheels which would be hard to bolt on. They don't seem to have produced any splined freewheels yet but maybe they will. Even better would be a standard shimano cassette. That seems unlikely given the size of the splines and WI recent infatuation with proprietary systems.

Standard cassette spline cog system? Would need a hell of a wide base not to develop play, and I don't see how you'd get a freewheel going.
True, you can't bolt freewheels to the ISO bolt pattern... which is why the other side of a well-thought-out hub would have threads