https://cgi.ebay.com/BREW-MTB-Single-...QQcmdZViewItem

Would be nice to get a few customer feedbacks...

I know that they've been around putting out quality frames for decades. Not sure about the class though.

There's a guy on crutches, this has to be legit.

seems sketchy

first they only mention ****ty fast food joints in the description

second most of those guys made trials for mtn frames

the dude in the middles got a track frame.

I'm noticing a distinct lack of lugs.

Long sleeve dark cotton shirts? Meh, I weld in a freaking white t shirt! Wusses. Unless it's arc of course.

Seriously though- If you've never welded before, and you have a decent community college in your area, take a couple hundred dollars and take a semester long metal work class, and take the remaining $1000 and put it towards a hand made bike from someone who knows what they're doing. You will get better skills and a better bike out of the deal, and after the class you'll be in a better position to learn frame building.

You wouldn't ride a frame made by someone else who had been welding for only 5 days, why would yours be any different?

this guys a genius

A- I'm not a guy
and B- why am I such a "genius"?

and I'm sorry if you weren't being sarcastic. BF makes me neurotic.

b. not being sarcastic

a. should havepaid attention to your username

Oooops, sorry. Thanks for the compliment! My beater got stolen today, so I'm a little on edge.

PS- My comments aren't about these guys in particular, they could be great. All of these types of workshops are more about the experience than anything. So if you just want to have fun, and you don't expect an awesome frame out of the deal, and you have money to burn, then go for it. But don't expect to come away with any lasting metal work skills, or a lasting frame.

If you're going to drop over a grand for framebuilding classes, why not do it right and go with the 'guch?

The Master
One on one instruction off in the deep woods of Colorado with a guy that built San Renshos and bikes for the US Olympic track team. Plus, brazing is where it's at!

For only 500$ more. If you're gonna do it definetly take that course instead. Plus it's 2 weeks instead of 5 days, but I would still take a college metal working class first. And from what I hear, brazing is easier to learn in a short period of time than welding. Learning to make nice looking structurally sound welds takes a really long time.

So?

Lugs= heavier, weaker, and less dynamic than TIG welding.

tig= lacking soul.

Blue Ridge Electric and Welding (BREW) was started in 1984 by Mike Garn. He's been TIG welding since the late 70's. According to an article by Alan Cote called "Art of Steel" Garn realized TIG welding is superior when he sent off a few frames to Belgium to be raced and they all survived despite other lugged frames breaking over cobbled riding.

I'd say they're as good as any other frame out there, but the eBay thing seems a bit desperate.

Oh puleeeze

You can factory job a lugged frame just the same as welded.

i know. it was said in fun

From the ad it sounds like the bikes in the class will be gas welded not tig? 5 days is still way too short to learn any kind of welding