I just popped in to invite some of the track racers in this forum to help educate some of the A&S folks concerning what it takes to steer and control a bike at low or no speed - if you are brave enough to venture into A&S.
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/288303-what-makes-bike-turn.html

You would have to pay me to read A&S threads.

I'll go in there when they quit the mindless bickering over old ideas of riding and actually participate in advocacy. That was a dumb thread anyway. Who doesn't know how to turn thier bike.

Wow and I thought Dutret was curmudgeonly. This Helmet Head guy is off the charts.

Wow, does anybody else have a renewed appreciation for BFSSFG? Compared to these ******bags, we're the goddamn Cleaver family.

In this episode, Wally tries to impress a girl by skidding with his leg over the bars of the new Kalavinka he bought with the money he made mowing lawns.

7 pages and it hasn't devolved into photoshop tennis or a discussion of skateboarding. Sad.

tell me about it

A&S is the internet's largest honeypot

Every stop sign and light i blow thru tomorrow on the way to work i will yell "HELMET HEAD!" in honor of that yobs royal douchiness...

learn to bunny hop and lean

I didn't get to the part about low/slow speed steering. I tried, but when they couldn't stop bickering about counter steering after 4 pages I quit. I mean really, how can you argue about something that is proven fact. A reality based on the laws of physics. Just because it seems counter intuitive, doesn't mean it isn't fact. Some of those guys need to just DIAF already.

Every couple of weeks there's a new topic on A&S that sounds interesting and I'll post on it, but inevitably it'll turn into some bizarre argument and I end up unsubscribing.

Which is exactly what happened with the steering thread.

Wow, I never realized the countersteering thing.

This is a pretty good read: https://socrates.berkeley.edu/~fajans...g/Steering.htm

You counter steer whether you know it or not. The trick is to use it to your advantage when you need it. To make a very quick emergency turn you use counter steering to quickly get your weight where it needs to be to turn fast.

I've taught this to riders and it seems to be the hardest thing to get people to do. Kindof fun to watch though.

Saint Sheldon saith:

Countersteering

When a bicycle turns, it must lean into the direction of the turn so that the tilt of the bicycle and rider counterbalances the "centrifugal force" created by the act of turning.
In order to turn left, you start by turning the handlebars to the right for a moment. This moves the front wheel out to the right of the center of gravity, so the bike will start to fall to the left. This is immediately follwed by turning the handlebars to the left to cause the bike to remain in balance, which also creates the desired left turn. "Countersteering" refers to the momentary motion of the handlebars in the opposite direction of the desired turn.

Some people, particularly motorcyclists, make a big deal out of this as if countersteering is some special advanced riding technique that you must learn to become an expert bike handler. It isn't. It's just a fancy sounding name for the normal process by which any two-wheeler (or even a unicycle) is controlled.

man that thread blew my mind...

I must be the only person on BFSSFG who found that thread fascinating (minus the ad hominem crap and the one guy who kept repeating the same kids-at-the-bike-shop "joke" ten times). I spent a bunch of time on the commute home tonight pulling on one side of my handlebars or another and seeing what happened. Usually the opposite of what I expected. Then I tried steering my bike like a car, and of course found that it didn't work.

OK, so apparently I'm the last person on the planet to learn this ****, but I still found it interesting.

Hahaha. So true.