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Igneous Faction 05-07-07 12:28 AM

That's one of a list of hundreds of good reasons.

cobraz 05-07-07 01:11 AM

The argument doesn't have to be about car-free vs non car free. People in Montana need to have cars to do whatever one does in Montana, and In Kansas to drive around the corn or whatever (let the ignorance go for a sec) but people in DC don't need to drive huge Suburbans and other large vehicles. That, to get excesively academic, is commodity fetishism. And while riding ridiculous bikes around for a 4 mile commute is also commodity fetishism (partly) its not damaging to the environment. And while there are many other factors in global warming besides cars, it is fallacious to say that cuting down on driving when possible is not a valid solution for any given individual. I suspect that it is a hyper masculine, big d**k jack complex to be resistant to driving small ugly hybrids around in an urban environement. If this is not the case im happy to be corrected.

Alright I even PROOFREAD this submission!

OK actually, some people in an urban setting might need to drive a large ineficient (sp) vehicle, but a good portion of those who do drive them do so for style reasons. Its 3:30 AM why am I even worying about this post?

thebankman 05-07-07 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Tapeworm21
+1

I drove CONSTANTLY back in Montana. I had to, it get's friggin cold for one. There's NO public transportation in the town I lived in, and it's spread out. And chances are, if you went to a buddy's house, he lived 20+ miles away out in the middle of nowhere.

Now I'm in California and really don't understand why people drive. ESPECIALLY in the bay area. BART is so rad. And biking is radder.

Wow, a Bay Area resident not complaining about our excellent public transit? Seriously last time I took the Muni and BART it was on convenient, on time and cheap, can't understand how people hate it so.

kemmer 05-07-07 10:20 AM

I rely on my bike and/or public transit for nearly 100% of my daily personal transportation needs. When it's 10 below zero, dark and snowing I ride my bike. When it's 10 below zero, dark, snowing and I have my 3 kids with me, I take the car. Sorry zealots, cars are a necessity for some people. I really, really like the sticker though.

soyboy 05-07-07 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by dustinlikewhat
I just watched jesus camp, and they bring up a good point, the earths temperature has only raised 0.6 degrees (did not say whether it was ferenheit, celcius, or kelvin, but god is american so I assume ferenheit), and that doesn't seem very warm to me, so global warming isn't real, suck on that!


i know that's a joke but the earth's temp rose .74 degrees celsius in the last one hundred years, this could be from a receeding ice age or some other factor but it certainly coincides with the industrial revolution. that being said the average tmep of the earth is 13 celsius so .74 degrees is about a 6 percent increase. in your body that's like having a fever of 104, if you have ever had a fever of 104 i'm sure you know its not fun. imagine the earth going through that. its a wonder things aren't worse.

wroomwroomoops 05-07-07 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by soyboy
i know that's a joke but the earth's temp rose .74 degrees celsius in the last one hundred years, this could be from a receeding ice age or some other factor but it certainly coincides with the industrial revolution. that being said the average tmep of the earth is 13 celsius so .74 degrees is about a 6 percent increase. in your body that's like having a fever of 104, if you have ever had a fever of 104 i'm sure you know its not fun. imagine the earth going through that. its a wonder things aren't worse.

Researching the history of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere in the last 400.000 years circa, a pattern has been detected regarding global temperature and CO2 concentration: while there have been temperature fluctuations, consistent with ice-ages and goings-out of ice ages (and other fluctuations), there have never been instances where the CO2 concentration has risen without the global temperature rising as well! And today, we have the greatest leap in CO2 concentration ever recorded in the last few hundred thousand years. What used to take about 5000 years, took less than a century nowadays.

Asfor the small relative increase in temperature: if the global temperature increased uniformly by a small amount, nothing much would happen. But it's not that simple: an increase in temperature indicates an increase of the total energy of the system, and we can not predict how that increase in energy will manifest itself. However, some effects are already visible: hurricanes are more frequent and more intensive. Cyclical weather patterns are disturbed and so we have no-snow periods for some areas of the alps. Or we have droughts in southern europe and australia, much more destructive than in previous decades.

Some places are heating up more quickly than just 0.74 degrees; such is Siberia, for example.There, millions of tons of methane is being liberated from the once-frozen permafrost, and houses and other constructions are "sinking", as the permafrost on which they have been built, melts away. The methane that is being liberated is itself a greenhouse gas. In fact, its greenhouse effect is a few tens of times stronger than that of CO2.

kemmer 05-07-07 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops

Some places are heating up more quickly than just 0.74 degrees; such is Siberia, for example.There, millions of tons of methane is being liberated from the once-frozen permafrost, and houses and other constructions are "sinking", as the permafrost on which they have been built, melts away. The methane that is being liberated is itself a greenhouse gas. In fact, its greenhouse effect is a few tens of times stronger than that of CO2.

Yeah, we're pretty much ****ed. I think we've already sealed our own fate, by the time we realized the damage we were doing it was too late. I'm glad I'll probably be gone before it really gets bad, I just hope my kids don't suffer too much.

soyboy 05-07-07 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by kemmer
Yeah, we're pretty much ****ed. I think we've already sealed our own fate, by the time we realized the damage we were doing it was too late. I'm glad I'll probably be gone before it really gets bad, I just hope my kids don't suffer too much.


that's an awfully grim way of looking at it, but also something that should be a factor when people make the decision to have kids.

Igneous Faction 05-07-07 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by soyboy
that's an awfully grim way of looking at it, but also something that should be a factor when people make the decision to have kids.

Alright, now there's a cause I can seriously get behind. People need to cool it on the procreation for a generation or two. We'll all be dead when the population bottleneck hits in 25 years. Projected population of the earth by 2050 is around 10 billion.

I'll be in Montana. Hoarding ammunition and NOS Campy parts.

soyboy 05-07-07 03:35 PM

yeah, more dudes(myself included) should get snipped, you can always have kids later through adoption or science if you so choose but most kids are accidental kids

BostonFixed 05-07-07 04:03 PM

Well I'm moving to montana in 2 weeks so does that mean I'm ahead of the curve?

Jonny Pockets 05-07-07 04:16 PM

I had to buy my Hummer because I buy a lot of groceries at once. It's just, practical.

chunts 05-07-07 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by dustinlikewhat
I just watched jesus camp, and they bring up a good point, the earths temperature has only raised 0.6 degrees (did not say whether it was ferenheit, celcius, or kelvin, but god is american so I assume ferenheit), and that doesn't seem very warm to me, so global warming isn't real, suck on that!

I hope this is a joke.

chunts 05-07-07 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops
Anyway, most of the USA has been designed to be dependant on cars. There has been public transportation companies in the past, that have been bought out by the car industry giants, and then shut down, to increase the sale of cars.

There is no reason for the USA to be so dependant on cars - take a look at Europe, even the sparsely populated areas of it, like northern Finland or Sweden. I am not completely against cars, I am against stupid misinformed parroting. Yes, the USA has been ****ed and now in most parts of that otherwise great country, living without a car is difficult to impossible. It shouldn't be like that - that's all I tried to say.

Europe has the advantage that most of its cities and communities were already built dense out of necessity. I agree there's a lot we can do to minimize use of cars in our urban areas, but it's an uphill battle in most places, and there are a lot of non-urban areas in this country with no other infrastructure so it doesn't really make sense to bulid a light rail 20 miles out to where a couple of guys live.

doofo 05-07-07 06:45 PM

europe is a kagillion years old they have no immediate choice

usa has the illusion of choice

dobber 05-07-07 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by soyboy
but most kids are accidental kids

I'm sure your son would appreciate that thought.

lyeinyoureye 05-07-07 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Jonny Pockets
I had to buy my Hummer because I buy a lot of groceries at once. It's just, practical.

D00d, I'm lost. What does fellatio and grocery shopping have in common? Do I even want to know?

Jonny Pockets 05-07-07 07:55 PM

Trust me, you don't. The things I have to do for a loaf of bread...

thebristolkid 05-07-07 08:08 PM

I sometimes drive a car. I exhale carbon dioxide. I also like steak.

dustinlikewhat 05-07-07 09:08 PM

the only way to fight global warming:

http://web.mit.edu/timeline/images/92-roller-blades.gif

SpiderMike 05-07-07 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by dustinlikewhat
the only way to fight global warming:

http://web.mit.edu/timeline/images/92-roller-blades.gif


Abba and Ace of Base CD's will go up in value on ebay now.:rolleyes:

soyboy 05-07-07 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by octopus magic
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. For the love of all that is holy I hope that you're joking.

You are the exact reason why people throw things at bicyclists. You are the reason why people yell and call bicyclists "******s". Etc. Etc.

I hope you're happy rolling around in your tiny apartment where you all run around in second-hand clothing that your girlfriend made for you out of hemp eating tofu turkey and making protest signs for the next critical mass where you ride 2 miles per hour on the interstate.

I don't think anyone should need more than 100 square feet to live in. Any more is wasteful. You should only have a maximum of two bowel movements per day also. You should also only have a maximum amount of 7 pairs of underwear.


i'm the reason homophobes lash out at members of society? and i'm the reason people attack others for no reason? how could my girlfriend(i'm currently single but no bother) make second hand clothes? i do like tofu turkey, you got me there, i don't ride in critical mass, i'm against it, there's no interstate in new york city, i really don't poo more than once a day so that's not an issue and i think i own 15 pair of underwear i'm not sure how shortening my laundry cycle could make the world a better place but i'm open to suggestions....


my point is you vaguely mocked me while not actually arguing any real point, thanks for boring us.


Originally Posted by dobber
I'm sure your son would appreciate that thought.

if you read the post you would see i was saying i should get snipped, if i were to ever have any children it would have to be by accident i'm not selfless enough to be a decent parent and i have enough friends and family that are good parents that'll let me hang out with their kids when i feel like hanging out with little kids

doofo 05-07-07 10:51 PM

why even respond to stuff like that soyboy
?

trackstar10 05-07-07 11:00 PM

25 % of the pollution in Los Angeles comes from China.

RDRomano 05-07-07 11:18 PM


Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops
Not meaning to attack you in any way, but could you stop for a moment, and think why those two things are the way they are?

- no public transportation

- habitations too spread out


Think about both, long and hard. As a bouns, think about whether it's the same in other parts of the world, does it necessarily have to be so, and is it sustainable in the long run.


Yes, because God forbid anyone have any privacy, or space to, I dunno, raise children, or, um, lemme see, GROW FOOD. Clearly, it would be better for everyone if we outlawed the internal combustion engine, and all moved to MegaTokyo, or some other 12-mile high urban leviathan where a billion people are crammed into three square miles; that surely has got to be psychologically healthier and more "sustainable" than anyone ever driving a privately owned car. I know, we'll have two cities, one for the west coast, and one for the east coast, and a constant steam of public busses running between them, departing every three minutes, powered by cow fart collected from giant solar-sail-like deployable ram scoops out on the open road.


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