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Old 05-22-07 | 02:47 PM
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whenever i try cycling as fast as i can i am only able to last about one minute before i totally run out oif breathe. so my question is are there ways to train my body and breathing to last longer?
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Not really. Most folks can't even exceed their aerobic capacity for 1 minute (40 seconds is pretty normal for me) before they turn to jell-o. If you go a little slower than all-out, you will last longer though. Doing rides at your aerobic threshold (AT) will help you go faster over longer distances too.
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well how are keirin racers able to stay composed while pedaling so quickly?
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yeah aero

if you are so smart answer that!
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Old 05-22-07 | 03:36 PM
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are there ways to train my body and breathing to last longer?
No. You can only go faster if you dope.

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Old 05-22-07 | 03:51 PM
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Don't push so hard, or you'll tire too soon to actually gain anything from your 'workout,' except for a few burned calories.
Aeroplane is right. Ride at or just below your aerobic threshold. That way you'll last longer, and you can gradually extend your rides. You'll still most likely blow yourself out quickly if you surpass your AT, but both your AT and your endurance just below it will increase.
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Old 05-22-07 | 04:12 PM
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If you want a very scientific answer, read The Cyclist's Training Bible by Joe Friel. It's aimed at road racing, but the information is useful even if you don't plan on racing.
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endurance.....whats that again?

if you ride a fixed gear, your anaerobic capacity will increase, your aerobic capacity will remain roughly the same. if you ride a fixed gear, you have never even heard the word "endurance"

i used to be a good ttist, but a season of hockey and riding fixed gears and nothing else for 5 months turned me into a sprinter.

i havent looked back. we get all the glory. those breakaway artists work so hard for 40 something miles and burn thousands of calories, but in the end its that snapshot of a guy with clenched fists and grit teeth at the finish line, and hes the only one of the hundred or so people that is sitting up on his bike with his hands in the air.
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Old 05-22-07 | 04:59 PM
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i've always heard AT used as an abbreviation for anaerobic threshold, the intensity at which the amount of lactate created by the muscles exceeds the body's ability to remove lactate from the bloodstream, causing buildup. that is of course when AT doesn't mean the appalachian trail.

if you want more scientific hooha, check out this article and read the cyclist's training bible.

if you want to ride faster, ride as fast as you can for that minute and then rest for a few, then do it again. repeat a few times at first, get lots of sleep and eat right. then do it again, working up to a few workouts a week and 6-8 intervals per workout. if you can do more than that you're not going hard enough during the interval. keep that up for a couple months and you'll see a marked difference.

it sucks, it hurts, you may feel like puking but it works.

endurance is a whole other game.
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yeah i mean speed is what i really care about.
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Old 05-22-07 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by D.C.M.D.V.A.
yeah i mean speed is what i really care about.
What kind of speed though? Do you want to be able to sprint at high speeds? Maintain high speeds? Climb at high speeds?

All of these things require different training and often conflict with each other (at the higher level anyway).
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Old 05-22-07 | 05:25 PM
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he wants to ride fast is that so hard to understand
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Originally Posted by D.C.M.D.V.A.
whenever i try cycling as fast as i can i am only able to last about one minute before i totally run out oif breathe.
Sorry but you're wrong. While "cycling as fast as you can" you can only last about ten seconds. Do a flat out 100% sprint and you'll start to slow around the ten second mark. That's why track sprinters are timed over the last 200 metres - the really good guys do it in ten seconds.

Kilo riders take (again the good ones) one minute for their event and they can't go 100% from the gun. It's a very hard effort but it's paced.
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Originally Posted by roadfix
start running...
that too. if it hurts and it doesn't injure you, it's probably making you faster.
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Old 05-22-07 | 08:20 PM
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i'm going to third the running suggestion. running does more in less time for your lungs and heart than cycling. and, i've found that no matter how whupped my running muscles are, i can still ride at full or close to full capacity. running intervals is a goddamn beatdown though.
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Originally Posted by D.C.M.D.V.A.
yeah i mean speed is what i really care about.
Thats the answer right there, take a bunch of speed and you'll be sprinting for days!
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Old 05-22-07 | 08:32 PM
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Pick a ratio you can ride 80-100 at for 1hr. Keep doing it.
Then up the ratio and build strength.
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Old 05-22-07 | 10:05 PM
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We don't all have the same type bodies and metabolisms.

Some people gain best from interval training, which means go hard, go easy, go hard...kinda what dirtyphotons said.

I respond best to 80% training.

I figure out my 100% level and then back off to 80%, but I do 80% consistently and keep improving.
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Old 05-22-07 | 10:37 PM
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Intervals are more of "recover faster after a hard effort" training. You'll get stronger doing them, but they won't specifically give you more endurance.
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high gear ratio is more tempo work which will give you base power. A low gear ratio that has you spinning a lot will build up your aerobic capacity, assuming you only ride it at ~70% effort. Short intervals of 1min above threshold with a 1:30-2min rest between intervals, for say, 10 repeats will build your short effort speed and lactic acid recovery while longer intervals at threshold will build your 'speed' at threshold. This is from personal experience, I think looking through enough cycling books will give you about 1,000,000 different ways of building speed, and some other way may work for you. But try using a high and low gear ratio alternately, it'll make you stronger.

Trust me, I'm a roadie (sprinter)
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Old 05-23-07 | 07:59 AM
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Intervals are more of "recover faster after a hard effort" training. You'll get stronger doing them, but they won't specifically give you more endurance.
incorrect.
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Intervals are more of "recover faster after a hard effort" training. You'll get stronger doing them, but they won't specifically give you more endurance.
Recovering fast after a hard effort makes your body more efficient at dealing with wastes and working under fatigue, which is exactly what you need during long, sustained efforts, i.e, endurance.
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Old 05-23-07 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by D.C.M.D.V.A.
well how are keirin racers able to stay composed while pedaling so quickly?
You'll notice they are riding faster at the end of the race than they are at the beginning. How come they don't just ride that fast the whole time? Because of the exact same reason.

This is basic stuff folks.
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