Originally Posted by acoldspoon (Post 5093333)

some are true American heroes.

Originally Posted by willypilgrim (Post 5093720)

The police are the un-challenged muscle of the ruling class.

Originally Posted by acoldspoon (Post 5093743)

To post this quote after a posting mentioning the death of Moira Smith is worse than distasteful, it is simply cold hearted. I went to her funeral. She was an American hero. Period.

So your reaction to a Cop saving somebody's life, and possibly getting killed in the process, is dislike of the Cop herself (or himself)? Just want to be clear about this. Sounds like you are being no less oppressive, racist, and classist. And what are you doing on a personal level to change this problem you perceive to be inherent to all members of all Police forces?

As for me being an apologist, you are beyond wrong in that statement. I am a huge critic of bad Cops. That does not need to be mutually exclusive to me hailing good ones. I work with the Police, they are my brothers in the Emergency Services. That does not make me an apologist for their wrong doing when there has in fact been such. It also does not in itself allow you to discount my viewpoint because of my association.

Originally Posted by deathhare (Post 5093785)

lol...please define 'true american hero'.

Originally Posted by acoldspoon (Post 5093797)

So with this in mind, the Cops (and their K9's) from around the the United States and Canada that volunteered to come New Orleans, at great personal risk, and tirelessly search the Lower Ninth Ward of New Orleans for survivors of Hurricane Katrina were doing what exactly in your estimation? I fail to see how this was an example of them being the "muscle of the ruling class". In fact, my own first hand memories of that search and rescue are of acts that were all about selflessly helping the less fortunate.

Originally Posted by acoldspoon (Post 5093810)

In the case of Moira, someone who volunteers to die a painful death in order to calmly save hundreds of people she's never met before, even though she has a two year old child she will never get to see grow up.

Originally Posted by willypilgrim (Post 5093803)

You don't get it dude. I'm not talking about bad cops, thus your constant redundant discussion of good cop vs. bad cop is irrelevant.

You probably think the military is full of real american hero's too (cue GI JOE theme plz), that doesn't make that organization any less oppressive and imperialistic either.

How am i being oppressive, racist, and classist by hating a government created organization? I guess MAYBE oppresive in the fact that any hatred could be called oppressive, but i am talking about an institution. Class and race has no merit if you're trying to apply it to my views, and the fact that i listed those as reasons why i dislike police as a whole should already free me from that as an accusation regardless.

Saying i hate cops because they are classist and racist (even though i am too!) is like saying "i hate nazi's because i'm a national socialist." It doesn't make any sense.

Originally Posted by acoldspoon (Post 5093810)

In the case of Moira, someone who volunteers to die a painful death in order to calmly save hundreds of people she's never met before, even though she has a two year old child she will never get to see grow up.

Originally Posted by deathhare (Post 5093817)

why is that an "american" hero?
just cause she was from the states?
and was her life more important than theirs or something?

Originally Posted by deathhare (Post 5093817)

why is that an "american" hero?
just cause she was from the states?
and was her life more important than theirs or something?

Originally Posted by willypilgrim (Post 5093836)

People do this every day around the world that aren't law enforcement agents, and aren't compensated for this behavior.

A police officer knows the risks of their job, and is compensated for it with salary and benefits. An actual civilian that saves someones life and dies in the process is just dead, and their family doesn't see **** for it.

There is also the fact that, while it is honorable, the police officer is acting based off of their supposed understand of their job title. If it wasn't there job, they may have intervened, they may not have.

Again, good people can obviously exist within law enforcement, I never denied it. The position is bull****, however. I will again reitterate that i believe the same of the military

Originally Posted by mander (Post 5094050)

In before the lock

Originally Posted by willypilgrim

Originally Posted by deathhare (Post 5093785)

lol...please define 'true american hero'.

Originally Posted by acoldspoon (Post 5093797)

So with this in mind, the Cops (and their K9's) from around the the United States and Canada that volunteered to come New Orleans, at great personal risk, and tirelessly search the Lower Ninth Ward of New Orleans for survivors of Hurricane Katrina were doing what exactly in your estimation? I fail to see how this was an example of them being the "muscle of the ruling class". In fact, my own first hand memories of that search and rescue are of acts that were all about selflessly helping the less fortunate.