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Old 08-15-07 | 09:12 PM
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110 - 120mm spread?

Hey people,

Just decided to use this old wheel I have which is spaced for my conversion at 120mm and this frame is 110m. For size I spread the stays and It'll work but I'm concered, is this preasure bad for the bike? I've heard of people riding while 'crunched' but never spread apart. I'm thinking it'll work, steel is pretty darn strong, but feedback would be nice before I hop on the saddle.
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Old 08-15-07 | 09:29 PM
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Didnt we go thru this 3 days ago?
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Old 08-15-07 | 09:39 PM
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Yeah well, we talked about the hub and things.
Been filing these track ends for about an hour now and my hands show it. More than halfway there I think, tougher stuff than axles...

What, tired of me already?
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Old 08-15-07 | 09:49 PM
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Didnt we go thru this 3 days ago?

There will be many more on this topic, just help them out and give links to the subject.


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Old 08-15-07 | 09:58 PM
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There will be many more on this topic, just help them out and give links to the subject.


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No, 11.4 already helped him on this topic.
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Old 08-15-07 | 10:22 PM
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No, 11.4 already helped him on this topic.
As many new people come on the boards ( as you did not long ago) just help them, tell them use the search feature ( it comes and goes so use it) give them links.

We waste time with "did not we go over this?" , i went through it before but helping out and showing them is best.

It will get them to pass on postive things to others.


I'm tired of the forums, really I am. Until I stop coming to all of them , I will help.


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Old 08-15-07 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ceya
As many new people come on the boards ( as you did not long ago) just help them, tell them use the search feature ( it comes and goes so use it) give them links.

We waste time with "did not we go over this?" , i went through it before but helping out and showing them is best.

It will get them to pass on postive things to others.


I'm tired of the forums, really I am. Until I stop coming to all of them , I will help.


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Nonono, you don't get it.
it's not a matter of him searching for an existing thread. He created the existing thread from 3 days ago, in which this question was answered. And in which he was told to search for the thread that was created 3 days prior to that.


Yes, just spread your damn stays already.
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Old 08-15-07 | 11:01 PM
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Alright, no need to get hostile. I'd just rather get it right then to come back again at it.
And days ago I was talking about my axle widths, not spreading my frame. And sometimes you just can't find what you're looking for, which is why people start new threads. C'mon show the love in the bike community.
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Old 08-16-07 | 12:09 AM
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I got into a crash a while back and I found I somehow banged up my rear seat stay. I spreaded the seat stay but I dont think I spread them the right angle. Meaning my seat stays are different angles from one another. So now my wheel is a little angled off center. What to do? Should I try bending the seat stays again to make corrections? Or would just tightening the track nuts in the right place of the horizontal dropouts be enough to make it angled straight.

THis is just like 1 mm angled off from center. It does show since one side of my tire tread is more worn than the other side.
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Old 08-16-07 | 01:09 AM
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Not sure actually but my arms feel like they're falling apart after I strained so hard to place this wheel in the stays.
I'd get the stays looked at, not unless you want to rotate your tire every few months so you don't get one-sided soft spots.
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Old 08-16-07 | 04:39 AM
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I got into a crash a while back and I found I somehow banged up my rear seat stay. I spreaded the seat stay but I dont think I spread them the right angle. Meaning my seat stays are different angles from one another. So now my wheel is a little angled off center. What to do? Should I try bending the seat stays again to make corrections? Or would just tightening the track nuts in the right place of the horizontal dropouts be enough to make it angled straight.

THis is just like 1 mm angled off from center. It does show since one side of my tire tread is more worn than the other side.
It's pretty hard to mess up the spacing in a crash if you have a wheel clamped in it. Did you actually bend or dent a seat stay? If so, you have tougher problems to fix.

I'd described above how to use a piece of string to check your alignment. That's the better way to see whether you have a problem with the frame. Having your tire show off-line wear isn't a good measure of frame alignment per se. Some people simply ride with their bikes canted over a bit because one leg is stronger or because they sit off-center on the saddle. And some tires just aren't quite symmetrical. In short, plenty of reasons why your tire wear might be a little odd.

If you are definitely out of alignment, it gets hard to pull it back in without holding the bottom bracket in place. You basically want to clamp the bottom bracket so you bend anything with respect to the bottom bracket shell. This way you isolate one stay from the other and don't just bend one further out of alignment. The best way is on a framebuilder's table -- a big steel table with a jig that clamps through the bottom bracket. Unfortunately, only framebuilders tend to have them. But you can make up your own version with a pair of old-style bottom bracket cups (the kind with a loose axle). Assemble the cups in the frame without bearings or axle, get a piece of steel rod that just fits through the axle hole in the cups, and clamp it into a vise. I've even drilled a hole in a tree stump the size of the rod and mounted the rod in the stump -- be creative about how to hold it. Once you have the frame held in place, you can pull at one stay or the other, using the string to monitor your progress. Do it in small increments. You can actually pull quite a bit without realizing it.
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Yes, we did. You'll be fine.
It depends on frame material. If it is steel, the op will probably be fine.
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Old 08-16-07 | 06:40 AM
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Old 08-16-07 | 11:00 AM
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You can bend it like this
I'd actually be worried about denting the seat tube. I've seen this method used, and seen enough problems not to recommend it.

There is another way I forgot to mention. Get a sturdy workbench or table top and lay the bike on its side with the bottom bracket on the table but at the edge. Be sure the head tube is on the table as well. At this point, one person can hold the head tube down and another person can push down on a chain stay. This is reasonably safe if you are careful.
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