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filtersweep 08-22-07 01:13 PM

How is the belt joined together?

deathhare 08-22-07 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by filtersweep (Post 5123172)
How is the belt joined together?

scotch tape

asymptotic 08-22-07 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by lvleph (Post 5123048)
Let's see if this works.

Sheldon Brown

I want to see his opinion belt drives.

Here is an entry in The Glossary.

I didn't even think about the issue of looping the belt through the chainstays.

SpiderMike 08-22-07 01:54 PM

Threads that would be started... Does anyone make a white studded belt to match my white studded belt?

asherlighn 08-22-07 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by asymptotic (Post 5123348)
Here is an entry in The Glossary.

I didn't even think about the issue of looping the belt through the chainstays.

We need to get on making the Sheldon Flatline IMMEDIATELY!

zip22 08-22-07 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by asymptotic (Post 5123348)
Here is an entry in The Glossary.

I didn't even think about the issue of looping the belt through the chainstays.

you can see how spot addressed the issue in the picture. there seems to be a small piece in the dropout that is removable.

deathhare 08-22-07 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by zip22 (Post 5123638)
you can see how spot addressed the issue in the picture. there seems to be a small piece in the dropout that is removable.

Yeah i noticed that too. So the belt is one-piece. Seems like theyre doing it right.

helloamerican 08-22-07 02:29 PM

no more skiddin? wouldn't this be slip happy all day long on a fix? just seems like the rubber teeth wouldn't hold up well against anything that won't coast...

DonPenguino 08-22-07 02:32 PM

Given that rubber belts are used as timing belts in engines, also known as the things that keep the pistons and rods nice and separate, I wouldn't worry too much about the belt's sturdiness.

deathhare 08-22-07 02:32 PM

It shouldnt slip. They use belt drives on high powered motorcycles and they dont slip at all.

Tangsooyuk 08-22-07 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by deathhare (Post 5123718)
It shouldnt slip. They use belt drives on high powered motorcycles and they dont slip at all.

They also dont suddenly change direction at speed. Im now extremely curious as to what would happen. Id think it would immediately flex and not work too well.

ps - all the high hp bikes I know of, from I4's to vtwins, use chains (drive systems). Ive built and seen high hp cars with timing belts be fine but, as of late, many newer cars are now produced using chains

deathhare 08-22-07 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by Tangsooyuk (Post 5123730)
They also dont suddenly change direction at speed.


Yes they do. Except it isnt for stopping power..its launching power. Which on a bike is about 100 times more than the friction of some 23c tire skidding on the street at 20mph.


Originally Posted by Tangsooyuk (Post 5123730)
Ive built and seen high hp cars with timing belts be fine but, as of late, many newer cars are now produced using chains

I know guys with 500whp+ motors that run belts with no issues at all.

HelluvaStella 08-22-07 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by Tangsooyuk (Post 5123730)
They also dont suddenly change direction at speed. Im now extremely curious as to what would happen. Id think it would immediately flex and not work too well.

ps - all the high hp bikes I know of, from I4's to vtwins, use chains (drive systems). Ive built and seen high hp cars with timing belts be fine but, as of late, many newer cars are now produced using chains

The f*ck they do. When a big ol' bike (any belt driven one will do, let's say a Buell. Look it up for details) goes from all out acceleration to engine braking, that's a sudden change of direction. So there. *smiley*

deathhare 08-22-07 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by HelluvaStella (Post 5123827)
The f*ck they do. When a big ol' bike (any belt driven one will do, let's say a Buell. Look it up for details) goes from all out acceleration to engine braking, that's a sudden change of direction. So there. *smiley*

Exactly, thats what im trying to say. No fixed gear skid on skinny ass tires is gonna come even close. I dont care how many MASH stickers you have on your bike.

dmotoguy 08-22-07 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by DonPenguino (Post 5123715)
Given that rubber belts are used as timing belts in engines, also known as the things that keep the pistons and rods nice and separate, I wouldn't worry too much about the belt's sturdiness.

The Pistons are pinned to the rods ;)
Timing belts keep the pistons and the valves seperate (most of the time)




Originally Posted by HelluvaStella (Post 5123827)
The f*ck they do. When a big ol' bike (any belt driven one will do, let's say a Buell. Look it up for details) goes from all out acceleration to engine braking, that's a sudden change of direction. So there. *smiley*

There is no change of direction (the motor doesnt spin backwards)

deathhare 08-22-07 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by dmotoguy (Post 5123883)


There is no change of direction (the motor doesnt spin backwards)

True, there is no change of direction. But there doesnt need to be one to exist a transfer of extreme loads. Going from a slow speed to a fast speed with loads of torque is what is happening.
All the power the motor puts out is transferred thru that belt alone to the back wheel of the motorcycle.

zip22 08-22-07 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by dmotoguy (Post 5123883)
There is no change of direction (the motor doesnt spin backwards)

so are we talking about doing backwards circles on a bike?

Tangsooyuk 08-22-07 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by HelluvaStella (Post 5123827)
The f*ck they do. When a big ol' bike (any belt driven one will do, let's say a Buell. Look it up for details) goes from all out acceleration to engine braking, that's a sudden change of direction. So there. *smiley*

Beyond WOT to down shifting not making much sense *wink*, the belts still going in one direction. Its not a immediate reversal of the belt, its just scrubbing speed through the drive train. You would obviously first brake, rev match, down shift, repeat as need to carry corner speed etc. All of which would lessen the stress.

I never said belts cannot handle massive amounts of stress, I just said "I think it would flex and not work too well" when suddenly thrown in the opposite direction.



Originally Posted by deathhare (Post 5123923)
All the power the motor puts out is transferred thru that belt alone to the back wheel of the motorcycle.

Its only pulling in one direction though, it also has a tension system (which this bike does not have). You dont think the belt flexing or skipping teeth would be, at all, possible?

deathhare 08-22-07 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Tangsooyuk (Post 5123963)
You would obviously first brake, rev match, down shift, repeat as need to carry corner speed etc. All of which would lessen the stress.

.

No, not obviously. Because you DONT HAVE TO do that for the belt to survive. There are 1000000 people riding belt drive bikes that have no damned idea how to ride properly and their belts last just fine.
You can ride like an idiot all you want and itll last. I know people that do it everyday.

Az B 08-22-07 03:22 PM

Harleys and Buells make less than 100hp. If you put a belt on a 140hp motorcycle and take it to the track, it will disintegrate upon launch. Maybe not right away, but it will fail fairly soon. I know because I have drag raced many Harleys, from 80hp to over 300hp.

Even though the bicycle belt is smaller, the design is similar, but I highly doubt this would ever be a problem on a bicycle. Most people are pretty low power, and skidding a skinny ass high pressure rear tire doesn't really take all that much force.

Az

zip22 08-22-07 03:30 PM

isn't the vrod belt drive and around 125 horsepower? theres also the new buell 1125R with 146 horsepower that is belt drive.

cicleto 08-22-07 03:40 PM

any updates photos,user report? something,no noises, no lube,great!

SamHouston 08-22-07 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by filtersweep (Post 5123172)
How is the belt joined together?

See that's what I want to know, and I've gotten as far as you asking in this thread. Hopefully up ahead is the answer, seems like you'd need a break in the triangle somewhere or a break in the belt somewhere. I've tried to not have cars, but the ones I did have the belts were one piece and if it was obstructed you dissembled to put it on then rebuilt. How can do that with this?

SamHouston 08-22-07 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by zip22 (Post 5123638)
you can see how spot addressed the issue in the picture. there seems to be a small piece in the dropout that is removable.

3 hurrahs for observant people

zip22 08-22-07 05:01 PM

heres how the jericho bike from the older thread dealt with the problem

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...2/jericho1.jpg

or you can just make the frame so the chain stays (belt stays?) are above the belt
http://www.ixibike.com/images/detail_p10.jpg
http://www.ixibike.com/ixigallery.htm

cicleto 08-23-07 09:09 AM

you vulcanize it once inside the triangle


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