Surly Bikes.
 

Hi everybody. Can someone tell me a reliable, serious place where i can buy a Surly Steamroller online that ships internationally?

Thanks in advance.!

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/hub.html
http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surlysteamroller.html

Surly = QBP, pretty much any shop in the US can get them, so anyone that ships internationally can hook you up. Harris is just one example.

PS: the steamroller is WAY overpriced unless you need huge tire clearance.

Is it going to Europe? There are a few shops over here that carry Surly. Higher taxes but less for shipping - might be worth it.

To where does it need to be shipped?

Just a question, are surly bikes and surly parts just that good? Cause a lot of their stuff seems really expensive...

Email Surly and see if they have a dealer near you so you save shipping. They have dealers outside of the US.

It's a weird world when people think Surly stuff is expensive. I'd call Surly's stuff working man's (or woman's) parts: tough enough to take a beating day after day without emptying your wallet. Not the lightest but certainly not the heaviest. You can buy cheaper stuff but you'll probably replace it more often and in the long run wind up spending more. Just my $.02

best place is on the website they have the dealer page that shows all LBS's in your state that are recommended by Surly. Good hunting and hope you get it like you want it!

Also about being expensive My cross check is worth every one of the pennies i spent so i dont see it as expensive as much as anice investment

I like their stuff.
The crowned fork is hella cool.....
It takes a huge beating to chip the paint.....
If you email customer service you will get
a reply within 1/2 hour. If you like this stuff,
then it might be worth it.

The msrp for most of the frames is absurd for a plain old welded 4130. Quality wise I haven't seen anything to set surly apart from every other little company who imports frames from asia. On the other hand a lot of their models do have nice features and if you can find or bargain your way closer to wholesale then retail they are indeed well thought out solid bikes.

I cant see anything on the new stuff coming out that
makes any of it worth its MSRP except maybe a Mercier.
I like it all, think its great there is a lot of choices, but
stuff just generally seems overpriced, overall.

Think about this: Surly isn't contracting out to have 10 year old kids weld up their frames. They also spend a good deal of time designing, testing, redesigning their products to get them where they want them. Anyone can draft up a frame design in Auto-Cad and send it to China to have it built for dirt cheap. It doesn't mean you'll get a decent quality product or one that is well designed. Along with material and labor costs you have all of the overhead costs with running and maintaining a business and a little bit of profit too, because nobody is doing this for free (of yeah, and shipping those frames from Taiwan isn't free either). It's always funny to hear consumers complain a product only has X dollars worth of materials yet it costs X times 3

Personally I'm tired of the Walmart mentality of American consumers: I want it as cheap as possible at all costs. If that's your thing, buy the cheapest frame possible. Or better yet, go into business yourself and see just how cheap you can make a decent frame and stay in business (note: not calling your out personally Duret, I'm using "you" in the general sense).

If I were in the market for a Surly frame, I'd send aeBike (Cullen) an email (he's also posted occasionally, but I can't remember his handle) and ask them what kind of deal they could give me.

Last two Cross-Check frames I got were $315, shipped.

YMMV

Take a bike like the Long Haul Trucker or the Cross-Check and you'll see some really smart features that I think justify the price. My only big problem with Surly is when you look at the wholesale on a Steamroller, and still have to contend with stupid brake issues. It's basic 4130 ... the stays aren't even butted and you have to jump through hoops to get a rear brake set up. It's not worth the price they charge.

That being said, I also wish they'd step up and do some frames (even a very limited run) in OX Platinum, 853, etc. I like the mentality of the company and I personally think they've got a market for some higher spec'd offerings.

I think it's important to emphasize that last point, because Surly is actually designing a product and having its manufacture outsourced in Asia. That's a far cry from the other steel-bike importers these days, who seem to be pointing to a picture from a catalog when they want to add a new bike to their offerings. Also, their complete bikes are also among the best deals going in the three categories they represent.

Who the hell pays MSRP? I got my Cross-Check frame for $370 without any special shop discount of wholesale price, and I think it's a good deal (not the best deal, apparently) for a quality frame and an attractive crowned fork.

What companies are offering a frame and fork for under $400 that use butted stays?

There's really no point in recommending shops unless the OP states where the bike needs to be shipped to. I got my Surly LHT for 400 euro shipped to my door in Latvia from a European online shop.

Who knows, maybe the OP is in Europe and can use the same shop, maybe he's in Asia and needs another.....

Surly frames are built by Maxway, which makes any number of other frames (Bianchi, etc...). Nobody in Taiwan is using child labor, and there are very few Chinese made frames that anyone on this board would ever even consider. Surlys are made from garden variety tubing, are pretty heavy, have pretty good paint, and are set up for a range of tire and brake options that are either worth paying for if you want them or a PITA or useless if you don't. As for their parts, the company is wholly owned by QBP, and the parts are made by all the same suppliers QBP is getting all their other stuff from. To their credit they have put some time into designing some burly components like the SS chainrings and getting that that stuff to market.

As I've said before, if you want Fatties to Fit Fine or want disc tabs for SS cross or whatever and don't care about the weight, get a Surly, but otherwise it's the most expensive way to buy a Maxway frame. Nobody is implying that we should squeeze every last penny out of the companies we buy stuff from, the point is that for most people there's no point in paying a lot more for what is essentially the same frame as many others out there but with Surly decals and a few added features that many people will never use. It's kind of like buying a lexis instead of a toyota, lincoln instead of a ford etc..., there's a pretty short list of reasons to pay way more for the same product.

Is it really the same frame, though? Can you point me to another manufacturer who is selling a bike like the Cross-Check, or the LHT, or whatever, for less than what Surly is? The only company I can even think of MAKING frames like Surly is Soma, whose bikes cost practically the same, if not more (no fork included).

The geometry on the surly's is pretty standard so the only "design" that went into them is the added features. A ss specific frame with lots of tire clearance, a cross bike with horizontal dropouts(so is the volpe though), a run of the mill ss xcish frame. I doubt any of this took generations of prototypes to perfect.

Nowhere did I say that 4130 costs x so surlys should cost y. Those arguments are indeed stupid "did you know that you could buy all the carbon in a $3000 cervelo for 5cents of coal"? No I am saying that $400+ dollars for a basic 4130 frame is too much(maybe the LHT). Other companies offer more for less. However if you are paying <$300 surly makes some very nice bikes especially if you want the features they offer. They just aren't of substantially higher quality than anything else that comes out of the same factories.

It needs to be shipped to Panama (Central America). I am open for suggestions about complete fixed gear/freewheel bikes. I was looking at the Raleigh Rush Hour and others, but any other brands or models suggested by the pros (that means you people hahahaha!) will be most welcome.

The Soma frames are constructed of Tange Prestige, though, and before that Reynolds 631. Surly used to use 631 back in the day IIRC. I love some of the features on the Surly frames, especially the huge clearances, but they really ought to step up and use a higher grade of steel, in at least the front triangle. My only other issue with Surly is their top tube lengths, which have always seemed a bit long.

The LHT is a slightly different beast because it has gotten so hard to buy a long wheelbase touring bike (at least new), but steel cross bikes aren't that hard to come by. Most are sold as completes rather than frames, but that's just the difference between Surly being a division of a parts wholesaler and Bianchi or Raleigh or whoever selling mostly completes. The real focus of my argument is the steamroller, for any of the other surlys you're just buying the braze ons. As people have said, they're OK bikes if you can get them cheap, but list ($410) for a steamroller is ridiculous.

IRO ships world wide, and from what I hear they have reasonable rates. Try calling Tony (I use Skype) to answer any questions. He's extremely helpful.

http://www.irofixedgear.com/

Looking for something versatile like the Cross Check? Better tubing?

Steelwool Bicycles has a model called the "Tweed" coming in the fall. Tange Prestige tubing, disc tabs and canti posts, big tire clearance, LUGGED HEADTUBE, FORK, DROPOUTS, Phil-style Eccentric BB. Sell should be under $600CAD (probably $550) in the fall, with dealers across Canada. It'll look basically like the frame on the site, but with better tubing, slightly steeper angles, and disc tabs. Oh, and the BB is lighter than last year.

Ok, I'll agree with that, and I didn't know they were charging that much for the Steamroller. I still think that with the average going price for a Cross-Check being $350-$400 (at least the people I know who bought them), it is a good deal.

$410 is list, but doubtful you'll pay that much. $666 is the list for complete, which doesn't seem bad. Compared to some of their other stuff, the Steam roller may seem a bit higher because there isn't much there (no rack mounts, extra braze ons, etc.) Seems the price could drop a little for the frameset.

RE: the crosscheck and other steel x-cross offerings - there aren't too many steel cross frames out there in this price range and even fewer with horizontal drops. Add rack and fender mounts and list gets slimmer. I know, I just searched high and low for one for my wife. Jamis has a nice one but it costs a lot more - and they weren't available. After lots of searching, wound up with the Crosscheck for her. See, it's the little things that matter to me when I buy a bike: steel frame, the ability to run big tires, rack mounts, horizontal dropouts - I'm willing to pay a bit more for getting what I need and want. I want those things and there are very few offerings in the reasonable price range. I also want it on a bike that doesn't ride like crap either. I don't think anyone is going to ever claim their products are cheap but they certainly aren't expensive either.

Surly sells a good set of hubs for a reasonable price, and they have designed some very nice frames.
Surly doesn't make 'em, but they design them.

The Cross Check and Karate Monkey frames offer amazing versatility and remarkable robustness.
Compared to other frames in the same price range, they offer the best quality and design for the money.

I have examined a Surly Steamroller Complete at Webcyclery's Bend base of operations, and I don't think a buyer could do as well or better with any other factory complete fixie.
Strong frame and good hubs around which to either upgrade, or just ride and enjoy.

Check out the folks at www.webcyclery.com for a Surly Steamroller Complete.

I would say that the Surly powdercoat and customer service are some of the best out there, plus their frames have removable decals. That and the extra practical doo-dads might be enough to justify the extra $100 over a comparable Maxway frame.... but I still think their frames and (to a lesser extent) hubs are a little more expensive than the alternatives for no apparent reason.

Why would anyone want a eccentric bottom bracket, when horizontal dropouts get the job done without all the horse****tin around?

disc brakes.
though this frame seems to lack mounts.

which makes the EBB ********