where can i find some 700x23s that arent tubulars.

i would try maybe looking around.

i know nashbar has some that i saw not too long ago.

I know Schwalbe makes a 700x25 in gumwall, but for the life of me I can't remember the name. Google will probably find it.

https://biketiresdirect.com/productdetail.asp?p=VRVWB

I got some cheapo nashbars cause I liked the look on my old conversion. Even took me a few months to wear through them doing skids regularly, though they aren't exactly the smoothest rolling tire out there.

i second these. got a few a little while back and really enjoy them.
havent tried the michelin eriliums but have seen them on a couple bikes: https://www.glorycycles.com/mierroti.html

Can someone explain the fascination with gumwalls? I think they look ugly on every bike.

screw the eriliums. i paid for 2 day shipping so i could hurry up and put a vredestein on my bike.

well that's just like...your opinion man.

IMO vintage bikes look ugly with blackwalls.

i agree.
thanks everyone for the links i appreciate it.

https://velo-orange.com/grbocskti70.html

gommitalia targa
veloflex pave
tufo tubular-clinchers

panaracer pasela. really durable and pretty light. oh yeah, and they're cheap.

I have Pasela's. But they're 28mm... I think they'll end up being too wide for my new frame.

....and Deep V's

o ya so ugly

yeah. an abomination.

Lose the heavy Deep V's and get a proper box section rim like a Mavic OP in silver and that would do justice to the Veloflex Paves.

I have those same tires on my new Madone

I've got a new pair of Fortezzas in this color if you want em.

I have the Vredestein Volante and have about skidded thru the rear in about 2 weeks.
And i try NOT to skid.

pffft. i really like these forums where these holier-than-thou show up from nowhere and tell you what to do.

btw, dude: 1) this is not a photo of my bike 2) these are not deep v

Well, I guess it kind of makes sense with the brown hoods and leather saddle.

But then again those really aren't gumwall are they? Tubulars just have the natural cotton carcass exposed without any "gum" on the side "walls".

i suppose thats true, but the look is the same

are you serious. i've been riding one for a week and there is almost no evidence of rubber gone.
i've ridden the fortezza's before and you can ride them until the threads show all the way around if you have alot of skid patches.