two speed "single speed"
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two speed "single speed"
Has anyone here built a two speed bike using the White Industries double freewheel 16-19 and a double crank with 36x39 chain rings. I am in the process of doing this and plan on using a XD 300 crank (modified) and Surly steel rings. Still trying to figure the bottom bracket width and I will have to re-dish the rear wheel for alignment. I should end up with about a 50 and 65 inch gear. Wanted to use this for winter in the rain and am hoping I'll get it right the first time. Any tips would be appreciated.
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no but im calling out 700cc on this. i saw he posted about this in the picture thread a few days ago.
*gives bat call type thing to 700cc*
*gives bat call type thing to 700cc*
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what about retro direct drive dood check it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro-Direct
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I'm doing exactly what the OP describes on my Bianchi San Jose commuter with a Dos ENO freewheel. The bike has full fenders, so flipping the rear wheel is a PITA. My commute is a straight line from work, ~7 miles, and at certain times of the year we get inconsistent 20mph headwinds, so sometimes I need a lower gear. I'm using 42-40 on the front and 17-19 on the rear. A quick look at the nat'l weather service site before I leave work and I know if I need to gear down before I leave.
(Yeah, the gearing is lower than most people run here, but I'm a borderline Clyde and 20 years past my cycling prime.)
(Yeah, the gearing is lower than most people run here, but I'm a borderline Clyde and 20 years past my cycling prime.)
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Have a look. https://bikeforums.net/showthread.php...t=langster+56k
You want the tooth differential to be the same on your front chainring as your freewheel. I run a 16/19 x 42/45. This will ensure that your rear wheel position stays the same on the rear forks/dropouts. Important because you need your brakes to work.
I have a second wheel that has a 16/18T configuration and use the same chainring setup with no issues. The brakes pads don't line up perfectly when running the 18T but not bad enough to make it unridable.
I use a Campy Chorus 102mm bb and a Campy Record road crankset and my chainline is great. I can post pics and measure if you want. I use a old superbe pro rear hub and have it spaced so that I have almost no dish in the rear wheel.
LMK if I can help in any way.
You want the tooth differential to be the same on your front chainring as your freewheel. I run a 16/19 x 42/45. This will ensure that your rear wheel position stays the same on the rear forks/dropouts. Important because you need your brakes to work.
I have a second wheel that has a 16/18T configuration and use the same chainring setup with no issues. The brakes pads don't line up perfectly when running the 18T but not bad enough to make it unridable.
I use a Campy Chorus 102mm bb and a Campy Record road crankset and my chainline is great. I can post pics and measure if you want. I use a old superbe pro rear hub and have it spaced so that I have almost no dish in the rear wheel.
LMK if I can help in any way.
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I did this to my karate monkey I just built up. I used a cassette back wheel with spacers and used 1/8th bmx cogs- a 14 and a 16 spaced directly to either side of the front single sprocket which is a 25 now, I may switch to a 28t front.
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double D
I read about one somewhere that a guy used and figure I can fabricate something.
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I'm doing exactly what the OP describes on my Bianchi San Jose commuter with a Dos ENO freewheel. The bike has full fenders, so flipping the rear wheel is a PITA. My commute is a straight line from work, ~7 miles, and at certain times of the year we get inconsistent 20mph headwinds, so sometimes I need a lower gear. I'm using 42-40 on the front and 17-19 on the rear. A quick look at the nat'l weather service site before I leave work and I know if I need to gear down before I leave.
(Yeah, the gearing is lower than most people run here, but I'm a borderline Clyde and 20 years past my cycling prime.)
(Yeah, the gearing is lower than most people run here, but I'm a borderline Clyde and 20 years past my cycling prime.)


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Has anyone here built a two speed bike using the White Industries double freewheel 16-19 and a double crank with 36x39 chain rings. I am in the process of doing this and plan on using a XD 300 crank (modified) and Surly steel rings. Still trying to figure the bottom bracket width and I will have to re-dish the rear wheel for alignment. I should end up with about a 50 and 65 inch gear. Wanted to use this for winter in the rain and am hoping I'll get it right the first time. Any tips would be appreciated.

See also: https://sheldonbrown.com/chainline and https://sheldonbrown.com/bbsize
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crickets…….
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what about a friction shifter they work just as well for this shift up shift down hey that was easy no hand made tool no grease allover self
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A multi-speed single speed??? Why? I mean, I know the answer, it was mentioned in previous posts, but if that's what you're after, get a wheel with a cassette or freewheel on it, and use an old derailleur as a tensioner. You can get some adjustment just out of the hi-lo adjustment screws. Go a step further and use about a 4" length of shift cable with the lead stop in the derailleur adjuster screw. That will give you two or three gears just by manipulating the barrel adjuster, more if you bring a wrench along to adjust the cable length. Or another step up, rig an old friction shifter off one of your fender/rack eyelets out back, for full use of the entire cog stack. https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...i+speed+single Any of which would be cheaper than even just the double freewheel you need for a 2-speed. Maybe not as clean looking as a double, and how horrible would it be for the other monogear cognoscente to mistake your bike for a *shudder* true shifting bike? If it's the looks you're after, then maybe a hub geared wheel/bike for those days with inclement weather?
I can see the appeal of a double chainring/cog setup for a fixed gear bike in certain circumstances, but will never understand why anyone would pay an upcharge for multiple gears on a "single speed," when there are other, cheaper multiple-gear solutions out there...
https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/447045794.html
vs.
https://harriscyclery.net/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1555
I can see the appeal of a double chainring/cog setup for a fixed gear bike in certain circumstances, but will never understand why anyone would pay an upcharge for multiple gears on a "single speed," when there are other, cheaper multiple-gear solutions out there...
https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/447045794.html
vs.
https://harriscyclery.net/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1555
Last edited by mconlonx; 10-17-07 at 02:33 PM.
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Who says that we are all looking for a cheaper alternative? I literally look for ways to spend money on my bike. Call it a sickness, but I enjoy buying bike stuff nearly as much as I enjoy riding my bike. SS and FG bikes are not just for starving college students.
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I may consider a Surly Dingle at some point.
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multi geared single speed? did somebody say 3 speed internal hub? what?! madness
might be an easier solution. but if you want to tempt the gods, go for it
might be an easier solution. but if you want to tempt the gods, go for it
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cheaper?
A multi-speed single speed??? Why? I mean, I know the answer, it was mentioned in previous posts, but if that's what you're after, get a wheel with a cassette or freewheel on it, and use an old derailleur as a tensioner. You can get some adjustment just out of the hi-lo adjustment screws. Go a step further and use about a 4" length of shift cable with the lead stop in the derailleur adjuster screw. That will give you two or three gears just by manipulating the barrel adjuster, more if you bring a wrench along to adjust the cable length. Or another step up, rig an old friction shifter off one of your fender/rack eyelets out back, for full use of the entire cog stack. https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...i+speed+single Any of which would be cheaper than even just the double freewheel you need for a 2-speed. Maybe not as clean looking as a double, and how horrible would it be for the other monogear cognoscente to mistake your bike for a *shudder* true shifting bike? If it's the looks you're after, then maybe a hub geared wheel/bike for those days with inclement weather?
I can see the appeal of a double chainring/cog setup for a fixed gear bike in certain circumstances, but will never understand why anyone would pay an upcharge for multiple gears on a "single speed," when there are other, cheaper multiple-gear solutions out there...
https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/447045794.html
vs.
https://harriscyclery.net/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1555
I can see the appeal of a double chainring/cog setup for a fixed gear bike in certain circumstances, but will never understand why anyone would pay an upcharge for multiple gears on a "single speed," when there are other, cheaper multiple-gear solutions out there...
https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/447045794.html
vs.
https://harriscyclery.net/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1555
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Fixed gear would have been a much better way to go, say with a Surly Dingle double sprocket. Fixed gear is THE hot ticket for riding in dicey traction conditions. My own snow bike uses 28/15, works great. https://sheldonbrown.org/bicycle.html#cb3

See also: https://sheldonbrown.com/chainline and https://sheldonbrown.com/bbsize
You can't shift a derailer manually, needs a lever and cable. If you are using a derailer as a _singlespeed_ chain tensioner, you can just set the high-gear limit stop screw to line it up with the single rear sprocket.
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See also: https://sheldonbrown.com/chainline and https://sheldonbrown.com/bbsize
You can't shift a derailer manually, needs a lever and cable. If you are using a derailer as a _singlespeed_ chain tensioner, you can just set the high-gear limit stop screw to line it up with the single rear sprocket.
Sheldon "Fixed Is More Fun" Brown
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