deathhare

In otherwords, disposable, like tsukaisute kamera. (Disposable camera)
Thats kinda sad. I feel bad for Vivalo.

I wonder if theyll keep building frames for amateur racing.
They should start building tough built street frames.

helloamerican

well you do have a gorgeous red makino, i wouldn't think vivalo makes the cut anymore hah.

this is too bad though.. i think everyones probably right in that they will take a huge hit and probably have to adapt their business tactics

i think i remember something similar happening to a company called raizin, they used to make njs frames but for whatever reason didn't after some year, i'm not sure if it was due to popularity or what but i think now they make street frames and judging by the fact i've only seen one in my life (not new) i don't know if they're doing so well.

kinda bizarre though, vivalo's one of the biggest isn't it?

sfcrossrider

It just win't ride the same now.

andre nickatina

I wonder if the type of tubing they were using had any factor in why the frames were failing.

shants

unlikely. it's probably either that the brazing was sub par (like with the fork crown/streerer separation) or that the tubes were overheated and made fragile as a result.

wroomwroomoops

What's "your estate", the wife?

I don't know. I am kinda glad that a company producing bad quality stuff, is actually called to responsibility. The ramifications of this are multiple and all positive, eccept for the "disciplined" company.

Stuff like this should happen more often, by way of really powerful consumer associations.

This reminds me of a series of front suspension forks produced by Manitou. I don't remember the model name, but in any case, ther was a huge number of people that complained the crown broke in half. I think there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of cases. How Manitou managed to not get slapped by a class action I will never understand. They should have been *****-slapped into nothingness. I mean, it's people's lives at stake. Not that matters much to corporations, now does it.

deathhare

Oh i totally agree. If the **** aint safe they shouldnt be selling it.

deathhare

Ive seen some pretty gorgeous Vivalos that id like to have though.
I guess id still buy one but it would have to be pretty nice and also cheap.

EMT

raizin is still making frames and doing very well it seems, a friend uses them exclusively to make mtb frames for his shop and there is now like a year wait.

one thing I wondered is if now everyone in the US's vivalo frames are suddenly devalued; if people really want the njs mystique, they won't buy vivalo, will they? this would be bad for people---suddenly your investment has lost half its value.

mander

helloamerican

hip-folk 1; dude is that one of them japanese bikes?
hip-folk 2; yeah man totaly think it is one of them---
hip-folk 1; i need it

kidtwisty

nuff sed.

Devolution

I really like my Vivalo. I knew I should have sold it months ago. 59x58cm.

doofo

toss some spinergys on there and a fsa carbon crank

good to go

EMT

true ... OK

streetlightpoet

Why should you have sold a frame you like?

shants

yeah dude, mine is pretty enormous too.

deathhare

Or maybe theyll go up in value cause they stop makin em.

piwonka

oyea,you got taht blue one. send me a pic or something. i bid on that thang too.

coelcanth

i think they will lose some value
i think it is because there is an at least partially-founded rumor that they have poor quality control

i believe it !

godless scum

are there many vivalos in the states? i'd never seen one before i got mine from sashae at t-town last year, and i've only seen maybe a handful since then.

wroomwroomoops

I checked last night, and Vivalo's are the most common of the NJS frames you can buy on eBay.com. Either a lot of people just decided to dump theirs before the awareness spreads, or Vivalo made a lot of frames and flooded the market.

Either way, I expect a drop in price.

andre nickatina

Vivalos and Bridgestones are probably the two most common frames you see for sale because yeah, they both pump out a lot of frames to the market.

I've only seen one Vivalo in my city.

Devolution

Why? 'Cause while nice, their keirin bikes are way overalvalued. Especially the big ones. These things were dirt cheap not so long ago... And for what the market on these frames is now, I've thought of selling and purchasing a custom-for-me bike.

zzoundss

People are selling clean frames for ridiculous prices on Ebay. I've seen many Vivalo's and Bridgestone's for $900 BIN +shipping. Insane. If I ever wanted a frame that expensive, Kalavinka would make you one for a few hundred more and its fully custom.