How do you feel about that dual position seatpost? Seems like it'd get on my nerves sticking out the back like that.

Damn i was gonna say nice 670/671, even though i don't typically like that color.

And I was gonna say damn you must be loaded - if that is your apartment.

The dual position seatpost did catch me off-guard i must say...but I wasn't going to let anyone else buy that bike out from under me because of that. I'll probably contact jamis at some point and ask about availability of the other post...you know...the one they SHOW it with.

about the 670 and 671 it is the 50th anniversary edition. They don't make them in rosewood anymore because it isn't considered "green" to use rosewood...which is true. the white leather actually grows on you after a while.

I am far from loaded. I am just a poor little industrial design student who runs a gallery full of kick ass designs of which I only own a small number of.

back to the bike:

this bike accelerates like nothing I've ever ridden. Its just fast. I cannot WAIT to take it out on the velodrome in Colorado Springs this summer.

It also came with true track tires that are super thin and soft. I'd say they are only good for 500 miles...on an INDOOR TRACK. The stem leaves little to be desired as well. Just ordered my 100mm 17 degree +/- Thomson X2 to solve that. The saddle is absolute garbage too. gar-bage. Its sooo cheap. got an SLR on the way

also, for any of you who are still interested after an already long post...the down tube is very very thin tubing. very thin. they get away with it being so thin because of the shape, which is almost triangular or diamond shaped ,and the size of the tube. Just...don't crash.

the long and the short is this: the bike is super f'ng stiff and light. the whole bottom bracket area combined with the crankset means serious power transfer. like i said, this bike accelerates like nuts. the replaceable steel dropouts are nice.

if anyone has any other questions about this bike let me know. I know its hard to find anything about it online so I'll try and help anyone who is interested in the bike. I'll try and take better pictures too once i have the steerer tube cut down w/ the bars lowered and with the new stem & seat.

i don't think i could rock the white leather, but i can appreciate it in the right setting for sure.

not coming at you, but how are you sinking all this money into bike parts out of nowhere if you're a poor industrial design student?

tax returns and some money I inherited from my Grandma who just died. word?

anyone know anything about the wheels? i can get a brand new complete sonick for just over 900.

MSRP on it is $1275. Where can you find the complete bike for just over $900?

What do you need to know about the wheels?

20 spoke radial front. 24 spoke 2X back. The bladed spokes are not a straight pull design like the mavic ellipses are. The hubs are expensive but I cannot see why and the rims are decent (super light but deep).

I'm selling mine

Is that Eams lounge an original, or a modern?

edit, I just saw the comment on the 50th edition. Very nice nonetheless. My wife and I own a few Wagner's, and a Finn Juhl. I don't see any reason to sit on crap when the good stuff isn't much more.

pista concept is vastly superior aesthetically speaking, imo

Yeah thats the truth with good modern design. A lot of people find it hard to justify purchasing furniture that seems so expensive but if you think about it this way it seems reasonable: you'll have this stuff for a lot longer than a lazyboy and it will also look better. by the way, any of the new pieces we sell are not knockoffs . they are current productions by the original manufacturer. so that Eames lounge, for example, is still being produced by Herman Miller. In fact, we are very close with Karla Hartman, Charles Eameses Grandaughter, who lives in Denver...I don't think she would appreciate it very much if we sold knockoffs. you have some Wegner stuff huh? we sell Hans Wegner designs too.

We've got a daybed from 56 (original fabric), and a coffee table in storage. Our Finn Juhl is our star piece.

Which piece is it? Is it that low lounge chair?

...I am still waiting for someone to make a comment about how much discussion there has been on the topic of modern furniture and not bikes. haha

It's (they are) 197 I believe. We have a set of four. I had a chance at a pelican chair that I passed on. I kick myself daily for that!

little small?

are you asking if the bike is a little small?

what are you talking about dude? i mean, i guess if it was vintage and that clean it'd be cool(though it wouldn't be in that color if it was vintage), but what difference does it make if it's eames from 50 years ago or eames from 50 minutes ago? In most cases, the new one is going to be in nicer shape.

it's not like 65 corvette vs. 2005 corvette.

It matter A LOT in regards to value. I had a modern Wegner, Cow Horn chair that I paid a grand for. The same piece from the original (limited) production run would have been 10-20,000... if I could find one.

BTW, all my stuff is era correct vintage AND it's in superb shape. Just like bikes; you have to know what, and where you're looking.

yes.

I'm all for vintage, don't get me wrong. Especially when it comes to audio equipment.

I fail to see the issue with something like furniture however. But maybe i'm just not snobby enough as far as furniture goes. I like me some good design work, but if I can get x herman miller product that is identical in production to y herman miller product for 10 times less because it's not 40 years old, i'll take the new one.

vintage isn't always more expensive. I'll use the 670 as an example. A new one ranges from $2900-$3700 depending on leather used and wood type. A vintage one in good shape will go for $2500-3000. Now, some people like the vintage and there is nothing wrong with that. However, vintage furniture almost always needs some work. A lot of the 670s I see come in need new leather due to severe cracking as well as new foam cushions because they have worn out and become thin. Herman Miller still produces the old style cushions and latches for them for this reason. There is another 400-600 bucks. We'll assume the arms, sides, backs, and gliders on the base are still in tact.

Other pieces, like first productions, limited editions, etc. etc. sell at auction for ludicrous amounts all the time. This is because museums, private collectors, and rich people who buy pieces because they like to tell people how expensive they are buy them. We sold a Bertoia sculpture for over 300k in 2007, a corbu lounge for $45,000, and various other vintage pieces over the years and people buy them. They like the patina that comes with age. A vintage Wegner oak wishbone chair is going to look completely different from a current production Wegner oak wishbone chair.

another note:

even if a design is still in production today, it does not mean it is identical. I could name countless examples of current productions by the original manufacturer that are not even close to being the same.

here's one...since herman miller and Charles/Ray Eames seem to be the theme here:

a vintage eames shell chair is going to be fibreglass in different colors depending on era made. A new one, by herman miller, is injection molded plastic...complete with a parting line and sink marks where the plastic cooled in thicker sections....nasty.

I'm sure we've been either outed, or banned.

shows what i know, i didn't know herman miller was still rocking out some shells.

my subscription to dwell and browsing of dwr and local galleries failed meeeeeee.

why oh why didn't i go to school for design?!!

oh but i did know that you can cop used 'vintage' eames lounges for less than new ones, by all means. i've seen some excellent looking local ones even go for 1500-2000.