What frames are the same?

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01-03-08 | 08:36 PM

geeknerd99

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What frames are the same?

I hope this hasn't been covered before.

So like,

Kilo TT = KHS Flite 100?
Windsor Hour = 2007 Fuji Track?

etc. etc.

01-03-08 | 08:46 PM

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I've heard people always say that kilo = khs, but the geometries listed on each companies sites are different. What gives?

01-03-08 | 09:09 PM

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the kilo is threaded and the khs is threadless.

01-04-08 | 10:22 AM

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how does that answer the geometry question?

01-04-08 | 10:42 AM

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Intersting tidbit: the Bareknuckle is the same frame as a Pake.. Both are made by schwinn.

01-04-08 | 10:43 AM

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Intersting tidbit: the Bareknuckle is the same frame as a Pake.. Both are made by schwinn.

How are they the same frame? They're made of different tubing aren't they?

01-04-08 | 10:51 AM

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01-04-08 | 10:52 AM

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i think that was a joke

01-04-08 | 10:54 AM

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Does anyone have any proof to back up these claims?

In the meantime Langster is same as Nagasawa!

01-04-08 | 10:57 AM

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01-04-08 | 10:59 AM

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How are they the same frame? They're made of different tubing aren't they?

at the schwinn bareknuckle factory whenever they f**kup a frame they put a pake sticker on it and mark the price way down. if it gets further damaged, they send it to alien bikes for rebadging.

01-04-08 | 11:07 AM

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I want proof also , this all sounds like bull****.

01-04-08 | 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fixedup

how does that answer the geometry question?

both of my kilo tt came with khs owners manuals as far as geometry goes they are the same

the geometry listed on the mercier sight is only for their road frames no geometry is listed for the kilo

I have owned several kilos and several khs frames as they are my favorite frame of all time just so happens I am a beast and I hurt them

btw fuji track= windsor hour = motobecane messenger
kilo tt = khs flite 100
bareknuckle (deda) =? madison (nlightened) - same fork same geometry different "tubes"
tsunami =? fuji track pro =? raleigh rhp
pake (??) = soma rush seconds? (tange prestige) - same frame geometry different tubes
gos you people are fools if you thought I was serious

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01-04-08 | 11:12 AM

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If im wrong please correct me, the pake and madison are made of standard 4130 cromo right? The bareknuckle is not made of some mix od columbus and deccaddi (sp?) right? Also isn't the soma rush made of tange prestige? How can they be the same frame? I'll buy the khs mercier being the same.

01-04-08 | 11:15 AM

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edited above
the red stuff is bs...

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01-04-08 | 11:28 AM

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The bareknuckle is not related to the madison, they just have similar looking forks.
Pake is not a rush, they're different tubing.
The tsunami and fuji track pro and raleigh don't even look alike.

01-04-08 | 11:32 AM

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This is the classic misinformation thread. Lots of people who can't tell a joke when it slaps them in the face combined with even more people who don't know what they're talking about. I love it.

01-04-08 | 11:35 AM

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This is the classic misinformation thread. Lots of people who can't tell a joke when it slaps them in the face combined with even more people who don't know what they're talking about. I love it.

see you see the humor because you have been here along time sprinkle truth in with the misinformation and see what happens ha ha ha

01-04-08 | 11:38 AM

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Here is the Kilo TT geo sheet: https://www.cyclesmercier.com/geometry_tt.html
Here is the KHS Flite geo sheet: https://www.khsbicycles.com/Images/Ge...7-geo-road.jpg

Now compare say a 57cm frame

KHS Flite 100 (57):
HT angle: 75*
ST angle: 74*
Top Tube: 575mm
Chainstay: 401mm
Fork Offset: 28 mm

Mercier Kilo TT (57):
HT angle: 73.5*
ST angle: 74*
Top Tube: 590mm
Chainstay: 405mm
Fork Offset: 40 mm

Maybe they are made by the same people, maybe they are made of the same material, but I am sorry these are not the same frames.

01-04-08 | 11:49 AM

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I will measure my friends kilo against my khs and get backto you on that

as far as my knowledge having owned several of these frames is they ride the same and look the same side by side

it is hard to beleive that the 2003 mercier geometry chart is correct to the 06/07 models which are the ones I have owned

01-04-08 | 12:00 PM

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I really hope that your kilo has the same geo as the khs, becaus I really want the kilo tt "pro" frameset when bikesdirect sells them, and if it had a 75* H/T and 28 mm fork offset it would be icing on the cake.

01-04-08 | 12:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonechilling

This is the classic misinformation thread. Lots of people who can't tell a joke when it slaps them in the face combined with even more people who don't know what they're talking about. I love it.

Why not just enlighten us all oh mighty one?

01-04-08 | 04:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fixedup

Why not just enlighten us all oh mighty one?

I didn't claim to know exactly which frames were which, but I was able to tell that I_luv_hooters was joking when he said that the BK and the Pake were the same frame, and that both were discarded Schwinns.