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Zombie Carl 01-07-08 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by tehz (Post 5938683)
am i the only one that is completely turned off by girls?

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Zombie Carl 01-07-08 11:31 AM

A bunch of budding young feminists on this board.

Cyclist0383 01-07-08 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by save_alkaline (Post 5939251)
did you read the part i quoted? american culture and standards are not the same throughout the world. if you would sift through that blog you would see comments from locals and others (female) who love the blog as it shows fashion while promoting cycling. there are even local girls who visit the site and put up pictures of themselves.

edit: not to mention you could substitute 'women' for 'local culture' and / or 'bike scene' in that question. :)

Women around the world find men surreptitiously photographing them creepy. It's not just an American thing not wanting to be the focus of attention of voyeurs.

save_alkaline 01-07-08 11:41 AM

no point in me trying to force my opinions on you, but i will leave it with a quote from the site's owner:


I enjoyed the post, Dave, and the article in Momentum. People are welcome to have their own opinions about what is sexist or not, or obscene or not.

What irritates me is when people say, "It is sexist!" - with no respect for other peoples cultural norms. The intelligent way to phrase it is, "I find it sexist".

We have had the occasional nay-sayer on our Cycle Chic blog - mostly from the States - but generally the feedback is positive, from both sexes.

An female Icelandic friend pointed to this quote, which is rather appropriate:

"Let me tell you what I think of bicycling. I think it has done more to emancipate women than anything else in the world. It gives women a feeling of freedom and self-reliance. I stand and rejoice every time I see a woman ride by on a wheel...the picture of free, untrammelled womanhood."
Susan B. Anthony - suffragist. Feb. 2, 1896 in the New York World.

In societies that enjoy a high level of equality, such as the one featured in Cycle Chic, this quote is put into practice daily. Perhaps in countries that have yet to experience this equality, there is resistance to the idea. Perhaps.

As another suffragist said: "I would not waste my life in friction when it could be turned into momentum."

Cyclist0383 01-07-08 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by save_alkaline (Post 5939338)
no point in me trying to force my opinions on you, but i will leave it with a quote from the site's owner:

I have no problems with the site being sexist, I'm a married man with girlfriends after all. The difference is that all people (my wife, GFs, and me) consent to the situation and are open about it. No one hides in the shadows.

mr_macgee 01-07-08 01:26 PM

"Coppenhagen the new portland" **********

Portland has a very long way to go compared to Copenhagen.

deathhare 01-07-08 01:39 PM

Seems like a good place to live.
Also, it never gets too cold or too hot there.

donnamb 01-07-08 01:47 PM

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I like it. I think Portland is Portland. It's never going to be quite like Copenhagen. Different terrain, different society, different values. So some people from the Dutch Ministry of Health, Welfare, and Sport (Can you imagine having a government agency with that name??) came to visit Portland, and they wrote a paper on us.

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Zombie Carl 01-07-08 01:51 PM

I'm going to go ahead and say that:

Northern California + Idaho = Oregon

Kinda cool, but not really.

donnamb 01-07-08 02:02 PM

I sure hope Portland never becomes Northern California cool. I wouldn't be able to afford to live here if it did.

Zombie Carl 01-07-08 02:04 PM

Try Boise.

delicious 01-07-08 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Zombie Carl (Post 5940228)
Try Boise.

what?

Zombie Carl 01-07-08 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by delicious (Post 5940235)
what?

haha, looking back, I guess that really doesn't make any sense at all.

deathhare 01-07-08 02:15 PM

I thought you meant if Portland got too expensive he could go to Boise.

Zombie Carl 01-07-08 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by deathhare (Post 5940300)
I thought you meant if Portland got too expensive he could go to Boise.

I love when I can't figure out what the hell I meant 5 minutes earlier.

huerro 01-07-08 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by anomaly (Post 5938751)
DC has rules, they aren't often followed by cars, bikes or peds. I think the trains do sometimes and planes do most of the time though...

Those are the laws, not the rules.

The law here is that you can't go more than 65 on interstate 95. The rule, however, is that you've got a 5-15 mph cushion depending on conditions. Every driver and every cop knows this and most follow the rules, not the laws.

Society operates with rules that we know and follow even though they may or may not be different from the laws. This is my point.

carlton 01-07-08 11:55 PM


Originally Posted by save_alkaline (Post 5939251)
did you read the part i quoted? american culture and standards are not the same throughout the world. if you would sift through that blog you would see comments from locals and others (female) who love the blog as it shows fashion while promoting cycling. there are even local girls who visit the site and put up pictures of themselves.

edit: not to mention you could substitute 'women' for 'local culture' and / or 'bike scene' in that question. :)

Yes sir you have it exactly right. Especially the part about sifting through the blog. :beer:

carlton 01-08-08 12:35 AM

And for the record, I love the video of the official Coppenhagen government response to curb highway speeders. What a genious idea! Brought the speedsters to a crawl. No bullets were fired. ;)

carlton 01-08-08 12:58 AM


Originally Posted by cphfxt (Post 5935082)
I live in Copenhagen, and I am afraid you have it mixed up. Portland is maybe the new Copenhagen, but it is not the other way around.

This a main road in ´58
http://www.eber.se/ava/an60/bild/gl-27.jpg

Another main road in ´60
http://www.grandts.dk/images/Gadebil...d-maaske60.jpg

Tremendous photos! That first one is just so right. The cyclists pedaling up a slight hill, the fine old buildings, the trolly heading up the track, the veiw gives a sense of movement, like you are heading the other way. Is that an old american made studebaker car on the right or is it a european car that just looks simular?

You should send these pictures over to cyclicious's website he would love them.

Cheers, carlton.

cphfxt 01-08-08 09:30 AM

Well I trust the guy that runs these sites knows how to use google in danish as well as me.

It might be a studebaker, there was a major influx of american made anything after the war as you probably know.

When all this is said there are lots of things that are way wrong here as I´m sure you feel about your city.. But one cool thing I learned recently is that cityplanners will bring in skaters to make the city better to skate in - a route around the city with the right curbs and steps to skate. Sounds like a funny idea..

jeac 01-08-08 12:46 PM

cphfxt


Originally Posted by jeac (Post 5938817)
copenhagen seems great

but all you ever see are cruiser style bikes. How popular are fg/ss? if at all?


cphfxt 01-08-08 01:35 PM

Hey Croc Jeac.

Fixgear is quite popular among couriers and artstudents. Its like MTB in the 80s where you cant weld your frame to a post for the night and expect it to be there in the morning.
Most ride cruisers and Raleigh style bikes though. Its the way to get to work easiest so therefore.. Its done by all - average Joe to members of parliment. The mayor for Tecnics and Traffic (thats the danish title) rides everyday to his office even though he has a car at his disposal, its just faster to get around on a bike in the citycore..

jeac 01-08-08 01:43 PM

i figured there had to be some fg/ss "scene" if you will

it was just that on these all these copenhagen bike blogs or even searching through google you don't come across any pictures or discussion of fixed gears in copenhagen really. thanks though

cphfxt 01-08-08 04:16 PM

There is a lot of people riding fixed, and some chatting about it here:
www.fixie-king.dk
In danish.. Impossible to decipher for nonnatives - Its like those tribesmen the US used to talk on the radio before they could scramble. ;)

sdedalus1 01-13-08 07:30 PM

i recently lectured in copenhagen and had a free day in the city, which i really enjoyed visiting. i recommend a stopover if you're passing anywhere near it in europe: the metro from the airport to the city center is super fast and convenient. it was freezing rain the night i arrived, then cold (around freezing) sunny, and clear the next few days, but i still saw a lot of people out cycling through it all.

unfortunately it was a sunday, so the bike shop i went by was closed. i was amused to see that it had a lot of stripped down, SS/FG-looking bikes in the window, and nearly all of them had coaster brakes. that seems to be the norm there, as the other poster mentioned, with nearly everyone riding 3-speed or SS coaster-brake city bikes with fenders, baskets, generator lights, etc.

i posted a few other copenhagen bike pics here

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2337/...9c74737210.jpg


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