wow I just realized that he did not in fact drop the price of the frame. The $400 dollar frame came in black and he offered any color powder coating for $50 more. He decided to sell it unfinished now for 350 and the powder coating is now 70. so save 30 for custom but add 20 for black.

Hmmmm. You can get it in chrome, you say?

Oh well, I think Ill still just wait like everyone else for the Kilo TT Pro. Damned things will be sold out of all reasonable sizes within 15 minutes of the "add to cart" button going live.

I'm not buying either, but I'd pay the difference to get an alien because I like personally like lugs. I would like to know what tubing it is and what it actually weighs though.

The $350 complete is a myth anyway because half the parts on the TT you would probably replace right away (tires, seat, pedals, bars, cog) or are crap that you'd want to replace (wheels, crank, stem). So if it's the difference between a $500 build and a $600 build, suddenly it doesn't seem like a big difference. You Kilo TT guys all paid $50 more to get a lugged fork, didn't you? Is there any point to that besides it looking better?

you do realize that people are in different financial situations than yourself, right? and that the performance of the stock components is adequate for a large cross section of the public? what are you arguing for, exactly?

Like evensevenone, I wonder about the weight and what type of tubing it is. I would guess that it is similar in quality to the Sparton. There are only a few pics on the site and the ones that I think are important (close-ups of the seat-stays, track-ends and BB) are mysteriously absent.

I too agree that the Kilo is a good bike but yeah, I would personally only need the frame/fork and the rest would go on CL. The way fixed-gear stuff is going lately, I could probably resell the parts and have the frame/fork in my hands for only a hundred bucks or so.

my money is on regular ass 4130

Yeah, not too many close-ups of the lugs and no mention of the type of tubing pretty much guarantees this but why not be forthright about it? It is a fine tubing material, just kinda heavy.

Are you sure about that?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hQGLNPJ9VCE

Well, I have lived in ghettos for most of my life. I live in a ghetto called Park Slope, Brooklyn, by choice. My roots run deep in my ghetto neighborhood, with my family first settling there over one hundred years ago. I personally think there are qualities ghettos have that often far surpass more gentile areas. In one of the oldest American ghettos, the Lower East Side of Manhattan, I see many fixed gear bicycles. When I go to my local watering hole, you will sometimes see one or two NJS-ish bikes chained right outside a working matzo factory across the street. They give out free hot matzo straight from the oven on some nights, something I doubt you will find outside of a ghetto. Same goes for Williamsburg, one of Brooklyn's historic ghettos, on any given weekend afternoon you can blindly spit and hit a fixie riding hipster. New York City's best known ghettos are hot beds for fixed gear culture. Many well known fixed gear stores, like Trackstar and King Kog, are located in these ghettos. Maybe it is because hipsters like good music and bagels, I can't say for sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto
http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s6919.html

^^^

Somehow I don't think they were romanticizing Sholmo and his klezmer band from 100 years ago with their "welcome to the ghettodrome" slogan.

Park Slope seems a lot more gentrified than ghetto.

This isn't what I think of when I think 'ghetto'
http://www.littled-eatery.com/images/little_d_front.jpg


This is what comes to mind
http://www.uncp.edu/home/canada/images/ghetto.jpg

The fact remains, that by their very nature ghettos are horrible places to live and most who live there wish to escape. Romanticizing them does no good for anyone.

I've done my time volunteering in the kind of ghettos you are referring to, so I don't need the pictorial. But, thanks anyway. Fact still remains, I do spend the majority of my days in places that still fit the traditional definition of ghetto as well as the modern co-opted definition. Cheers.

I always figured it was kind a tongue-in-cheek slogan.

[QUOTE=Ziemas;6156104]^^^

Somehow I don't think they were romanticizing Sholmo and his klezmer band from 100 years ago with their "welcome to the ghettodrome" slogan.

Park Slope seems a lot more gentrified than ghetto.

OT:is that second pic of Baltimore it looks a hell of alot like it, i miss Baltimore now that i live in corn fields

Bragging about living in the ghetto is about as white-boy-hipster-****** that you can get. It's like that guy in front of the bar talking about the "gnarly" fist-fights he was in when he 16 years old. Just sayin'

^^is that comment in refference to me?

barrio > ghetto

favella>barrio

No, the Alien tag-line. Anyone who has ever really lived in a ghetto knows that it sucks and wants to get out of there as quick as they can. Poser rapstars and Alien track bikes are the only type of clowns that use this image of classism gone awry to make money.

As it turns out, bicycles are not usually liked in 'ghettos.'

I speak from experience.

The Alien is a joke, IMO.

I ride a lugged frame, and I found it in an abandoned building. Cost: $0.

lol @ all of you

Real quick:

Regarding the TT vs. Alien bikes thing... saying you "have" to replace all the components on the TT is ridiculous and a moot point to begin with; you can get the frameset for ~220.00. Plus, it's a name-brand butted crmo (which some people care about). Plus it holes for brakes and fenders.

Alien bikes delay? Noooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.....

http://www.thestencil.com/archives/i...lien-weed2.jpg