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Platform pedals and brakeless

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Old 02-16-08, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by operator
That is an incorrect intrepretation. Maximum deceleration is achivied with rubber firmy planted on pavement and with the wheel JUST at the point of lockup (but not locking up). ON a brakeless fix, if the rear wheel is off the ground then it is providing NO deceleration as long as it is there.

Skid stopping, skidding is not optimal and you are doing everyone a disservice by telling them that these are good "emergency" braking maneuveurs. Anyone who has taken high school physics or a basic driving course will have learnt this. Every racecar drive in the world knows this as well.
This is true for cars, but not bikes. You can't resist the drive train evenly as you pedal a bike, so in much of your stroke, your legs aren't working nearly as well to slow you down. That's especially true for people who insist on riding platforms. Car brakes (and bike brakes for that matter) don't care how your crank is oriented and so can keep you right on the verge of skidding for maximum stopping power. So in theory, sure, but in practice, many riders are going to stop faster using short skips to keep ratcheting back to the sweet spot in their stroke.

But at the end of the day, this is entirely academic. Maximum stopping efficiency obviously requires a brake. Or a sudden encounter with a big, solid object.

P.S. And seriously, full-on skids are just no good for stopping.
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Old 02-16-08, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kyselad
But at the end of the day, this is entirely academic. Maximum stopping efficiency obviously requires a brake. Or a sudden encounter with a big, solid object.
I can attest to the accuracy of both these statements. It had never actually occurred to me what would happen if the chain broke while trying to skid stop my fixed until it did at an inopportune moment (about 3 seonds before a Buick hit me). On the bright side, I had never actually gotten to ride in an ambulance before and I was a much better climber after losing 15 lbs while my jaw was wired shut. All in all though, I would say that brakes are preferable to Buicks.
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Old 02-16-08, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by j0e_bik3
I agree WHEN IT APPLIES TO A CAR OR MOTORCYCLE,..but in the real world (like SF going down oak, or 21st st., or anything down from pac heights), SKIPPING slows you down faster than skidding, or forceful controlled backpressure on the pedals, and thats with the rear wheel hopping and skidding for a foot or so every half rotation of the cranks.

so while the wikipedia regurgitation, and the racers braking physics lessons ALL apply, they don't work when you ride a fixed gear bike down a freaky scary steep hill like 21st st in san francisco (from the top,heading east, down to mission), even with a front brake, I skip it every half block or so, just to keep the speed down.


we now return you to the regularly scheduled rock throwing contest.
Nicely put...
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