Proofide on Brooks Grips?
03-16-08 | 07:08 PM
#26
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JoshFrank
my apologies for people being jack asses in your thread.
Hope the grips turn out well, take some pics of the rig and throw em up for us all to check out!
Ride on!
my apologies for people being jack asses in your thread.
Hope the grips turn out well, take some pics of the rig and throw em up for us all to check out!
Ride on!
03-16-08 | 08:23 PM
#30
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From: Dirty
You sir/madame are a jack ass , there is no such large scale commercial operations that raise cattle specifically for the hides. Trust me on that one, I grew up raising beef cattle, the amount of meat on a cow far out weights the value of it's hide. AND if you were looking to get a specific type of leather you would do it by picking the breed. You have any idea how much beef comes from a 1400lb cow??
And since you are already on your "lynch the omnivores/leather/fur" streak these are 100% organic, pasture grazing cows, that literally frolic through the meadows and fields full of clover, alfalfa and hay. So take you uninformed know it all ass and go home.
On your mention leather perpetuating the murder of cows, you yourself also perpetuate the murder of cows, chickens, even in some instances dogs. You obviously buy goods, you have a computer that is on the internet also, well that computer you are using right now and or even parts of it were probably made in China, Taiwan, etc and good old Shing sitting in the factory might of just got off lunch and enjoyed a nice dog on a stick. The bike you ride, yeah i can guarantee some part of it was made by someone eating an animal. YOU yourself by your logic perpetuate the killing of animals by buying and using products and services that are brought to you by fine people that eat meat.
And since you are already on your "lynch the omnivores/leather/fur" streak these are 100% organic, pasture grazing cows, that literally frolic through the meadows and fields full of clover, alfalfa and hay. So take you uninformed know it all ass and go home.
On your mention leather perpetuating the murder of cows, you yourself also perpetuate the murder of cows, chickens, even in some instances dogs. You obviously buy goods, you have a computer that is on the internet also, well that computer you are using right now and or even parts of it were probably made in China, Taiwan, etc and good old Shing sitting in the factory might of just got off lunch and enjoyed a nice dog on a stick. The bike you ride, yeah i can guarantee some part of it was made by someone eating an animal. YOU yourself by your logic perpetuate the killing of animals by buying and using products and services that are brought to you by fine people that eat meat.
I have just pointed out two "operations" raising cattle specifically for their hides. I also specified that it was not the norm, and only done for so called "high quality leathers." I did also state that even when beef cattle are used, the hides are not sold as waste and recouped for leather, they are part of the total profitability of the cow. "Growing up raising beef cattle," you should know that. Read, then comment in the future please.
As far as my "logic" goes, I can only go as far as making choices for myself. I have no interest in attempting to monitor what products you buy or forcing you or anyone not to consume animal products. Using your logic, I am also perpetuating veganism by buying products therefor allowing vegans to eat and make little baby vegans.
03-16-08 | 08:32 PM
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+ murder.
if our ancestors didn't develop some nice healthy, bloodlusty, murderous habits, our brains would never have gotten enough protein to evolve into something that could come up with silly abstract concepts like touchy-feely veganism and self righteousness. lol.
if our ancestors didn't develop some nice healthy, bloodlusty, murderous habits, our brains would never have gotten enough protein to evolve into something that could come up with silly abstract concepts like touchy-feely veganism and self righteousness. lol.
03-16-08 | 08:44 PM
#34
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From: Dirty
agreed. If we hadn't learned from our surroundings thus developing fire and learning to hunt, we would still be grazing in trees all day.
That being said, our knowledge has now completed the circle by allowing us to be socially and morally conscious, as well as developing and discovering other sources of protein and synthetics required and/or wanted in our lives.
That being said, our knowledge has now completed the circle by allowing us to be socially and morally conscious, as well as developing and discovering other sources of protein and synthetics required and/or wanted in our lives.
03-17-08 | 01:54 AM
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03-17-08 | 06:23 AM
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The ultra vegans in this thread are entitled to voice their opinions. Even if they are a little off topic, they are not exactly personal attacks either. You can't personally save the world, but thanks for trying. I am serious, that was not a sideways comment.
Thanks for the little bit of actual advice regarding the grips. I will leave them untreated and let my wifes veggie fueled hands break them in naturally. I'll put pics in the sticky soon.
Thanks for the little bit of actual advice regarding the grips. I will leave them untreated and let my wifes veggie fueled hands break them in naturally. I'll put pics in the sticky soon.
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03-17-08 | 11:41 AM
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As far as my "logic" goes, I can only go as far as making choices for myself. I have no interest in attempting to monitor what products you buy or forcing you or anyone not to consume animal products. Using your logic, I am also perpetuating veganism by buying products therefor allowing vegans to eat and make little baby vegans.
03-17-08 | 11:53 AM
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waaaaay off topic, but yes. as long as the body gets the nutrients it needs, the form it comes in isn't relevant. mother's milk + adequate proper nutrition is all a baby needs to grow properly. things like iron, b-12, omega fatty acids, etc. can all easily be found naturally in plant products.
unfortunately, it's far too common for parents (regardless of diet) to exhibit laziness when making nutritional choices, which makes preparing meat or dairy free meals for children "too hard".
anyway, back to bikes...
unfortunately, it's far too common for parents (regardless of diet) to exhibit laziness when making nutritional choices, which makes preparing meat or dairy free meals for children "too hard".
anyway, back to bikes...
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03-17-08 | 10:12 PM
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waaaaay off topic, but yes. as long as the body gets the nutrients it needs, the form it comes in isn't relevant. mother's milk + adequate proper nutrition is all a baby needs to grow properly. things like iron, b-12, omega fatty acids, etc. can all easily be found naturally in plant products.
unfortunately, it's far too common for parents (regardless of diet) to exhibit laziness when making nutritional choices, which makes preparing meat or dairy free meals for children "too hard".
unfortunately, it's far too common for parents (regardless of diet) to exhibit laziness when making nutritional choices, which makes preparing meat or dairy free meals for children "too hard".
