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richlu87 06-11-08 12:08 PM

fixed cog on single speed wheel?
 
Hi, i just built up a single speed and was wondering if i could try fixed without having to buy a new wheel. Is there a way I can attach a cog to the wheel even though it doesnt have the reverse thread for the lock ring?

Thanks,
Richard

joejam 06-11-08 12:22 PM

just thread it on with your hand, it'll be fine. seriously.

bdfresh 06-11-08 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by joejam (Post 6862261)
just thread it on with your hand, it'll be fine. seriously.

ummm no it wont, considering it will still have a freewheel due to the hub it won't work. he needs a fixed gear hub to make it work, and will probably need to space it out. so NO it won't work.

detrub 06-11-08 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by bdfresh (Post 6862371)
ummm no it wont, considering it will still have a freewheel due to the hub it won't work. he needs a fixed gear hub to make it work, and will probably need to space it out. so NO it won't work.

-1 nonsensical

if he has brakes it's fine. If he rotafixes it it's more that fine

roadfix 06-11-08 12:39 PM

Use a good, quality cog and use a brake. Occasional back pedaling will not back the cog off. Don't even bother using those useless bottom bracket lock rings.
I run a fixed cog on the single speed side of a flip flop hub all the time.

richlu87 06-11-08 12:42 PM

the hub itself is not a freewheel, there is a singlespeed freewheel threaded on there

roadfix 06-11-08 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by richlu87 (Post 6862438)
the hub itself is not a freewheel, there is a singlespeed freewheel threaded on there

I (we) know that...

stevo 06-11-08 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by bdfresh (Post 6862371)
ummm no it wont, considering it will still have a freewheel due to the hub it won't work. he needs a fixed gear hub to make it work, and will probably need to space it out. so NO it won't work.

more proof that all childeren should be required to maintain and fix their own bikes

stevo 06-11-08 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by roadfix (Post 6862399)
Use a good, quality cog and use a brake. Occasional back pedaling will not back the cog off. Don't even bother using those useless bottom bracket lock rings.
I run a fixed cog on the single speed side of a flip flop hub all the time.

I've been running fixed on a freewheel hub for 20 years w/out a slip.

time was, prettymuch every roadgoing fixed was that way.

richlu87 06-11-08 07:15 PM

How does the cog not come off without something holding it in it's place?

lns55 06-11-08 07:34 PM

No

joejam 06-11-08 07:38 PM

dear god, sarcasm over internet is completly hopeless. kill me.

roadfix 06-11-08 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by richlu87 (Post 6864900)
How does the cog not come off without something holding it in it's place?

Does the lid on a mayonnaise jar unscrew itself?

peabodypride 06-11-08 07:52 PM

oh jesus this thread sucks. I think the original useful response was sarcasm, but here we go...

you can indeed thread a track cog onto a road wheel designed for a freewheel or thread-on cassette. this is called a "suicide hub" because you are running with no locking, a few good skids potentially *could* throw off the cog, leaving you to fall to a bloody, tooth-lossed mess. however, with brakes (to minimize backpedalling) and some red (uber-permanent) locktite you can be pretty sure it will never happen.

K_phomma 06-11-08 08:17 PM

And if you can thread a BB lockring to it.

Jerseysbest 06-11-08 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by peabodypride (Post 6865133)
oh jesus this thread sucks. I think the original useful response was sarcasm, but here we go...

you can indeed thread a track cog onto a road wheel designed for a freewheel or thread-on cassette. this is called a "suicide hub" because you are running with no locking, a few good skids potentially *could* throw off the cog, leaving you to fall to a bloody, tooth-lossed mess. however, with brakes (to minimize backpedalling) and some red (uber-permanent) locktite you can be pretty sure it will never happen.

+1 on loctite.

I have a bike with a very low ratio and beat the hell out of it, and skid like crazy, and the loctite (and BB lockring) have held up fine. I'm also running a brake, more precautionary than anything.

But, I don't plan on taking the cog off anytime soon, and if I ever do, I'm sure I'll mess the hub up trying to take it off.

peabodypride 06-11-08 08:48 PM

yeah as a warning if you use red loctite and rotafix the cog on it is a really low-level fastener (as in it bonds the hub threads and cog in a metallic-like way) so it's basically never coming off. if you could find the strength to remove it, the hub threads would likely just rip off.

stevo 06-12-08 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by roadfix (Post 6865098)
Does the lid on a mayonnaise jar unscrew itself?

are you for real? Didnt you ever notice Mayonnaise comes with that plastic seal over the lid? Mayonnaise without that seal is called 'suicide jar' for a reason you know.

At a minimum, thread on with red loctite and a strap wrench.

Aeroplane 06-12-08 07:30 AM

If you clean the threads before you tighten up the cog, and use blue loctite and the rotafixa method of tightening the cog, you shouldn't have any problems. I rode a bike like that for 6 months with no problems. Keep a brake on anyways.

dobber 06-12-08 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by richlu87 (Post 6864900)
How does the cog not come off without something holding it in it's place?


Centrifugal forces.

dobber 06-12-08 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Aeroplane (Post 6867325)
If you clean the threads before you tighten up the cog, and use blue loctite and the rotafixa method of tightening the cog, you shouldn't have any problems. I rode a bike like that for 6 months with no problems. Keep a brake on anyways.


I saw this with regards to the Rotafixa method and though it interesting

http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/arti...ance/lance.htm

RichPugh 06-12-08 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by joejam (Post 6865038)
dear god, sarcasm over internet is completly hopeless. kill me.

+1

roadfix 06-12-08 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by stevo (Post 6867309)
are you for real? Didnt you ever notice Mayonnaise comes with that plastic seal over the lid? Mayonnaise without that seal is called 'suicide jar' for a reason you know.

:roflmao: I forgot about that plastic lock ring...


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