I believe that's a wrap, folks. Thanks for coming.

Thump! Thump! Thump!

I'm dizzy with laughter at this point!!!

Oh please, I went to school in Phila. I lived in a "big city". I love how becuase of where I live now, I have no idea how this kind of thing can happen or a basis for comparison. I get it alright, and I just don't agree with it. not just acedemically, practicaly.

Ok, so you get it, and you don't agree. Well, then that crosses you off the list. You understand, and don't approve. I still say if you were there, or here, you'd act differently.

Just to make sure that you get your facts straight, note this: I lived and rode in Dallas Texas prior to living here. And, to think for a split second that drivers here, because fewer in number, are safer is absolutely ignorant. But, thanks for letting us all know that Window Rock is small. That was tough, I bet.

the less drivers on the road, the safer for anyone on a bicycle. try and refute that. the drivers may still be a$$holes, but still, LESS a$$holes.

have you ever been pinned between a NYC yellow cab and an MTA bus?

have you escaped being doored, only to near-collide with a chinese food delivery man?

ever see a pothole that could bend your entire rim in half, and risk your life swerving out of the way to protect your bike?

NYC and the other large cities (chicago) are running on a different type of coffee. stress-levels are high, and driver tolerance for bikers is LOW. please try and understand.

So soon? This one looks like it might have the legs to go the distance.

Pissed Off Singlespeeder Part Deux - Vegan Takes Chicago

I'm on it Mayo, I'm on it... :roflmao:

:roflmao: I was just thinking the same thing. :D

You are absolutely right. I was hasty in my proclamation. I would delete the post, but don't want to upset the flow.

Oh yeah....small towns suck! Big Cities Rule!

OK, so here's a question I gotta ask ImprezaDrvr: based on your user name, you appear to be a 'cars first' kinda guy, so I'm not surprised about the 'cars first' opinions you expressed earlier in this thread....

Hmmmm.... I gotta do some research on this.

Wait a minute bucko, I live in a small town. You take it back, or I'm, I'm, I'm gonna lube your chain with motor oil...........

Wow, that's stretching it. I wash and wax my truck frequently, where does that put me?

I talked to Omar at Bob Baker Subaru in El Cajon, nice place, they have a 1 800 number. Anyway, helpfull Omar said it cost 188.95 to replace a passenger side mirror, and that he'd have to order it for me. This is assuming it's a 2002 blue Impreza.

Take your own advice. I see the point and understand it, but 165 shouldn't assume that people don't live in many diverse places throughout life.

Not like people in Dallas are pleasant drivers. And yes, I've encountered DART busses while avoiding potholes and jaywalkers, all simultaneously and with a few horns and middle fingers. But thanks for asking.

My point is this: I don't believe for a split second that you should not retaliate against a bad or ******* driver. But there's a ripple effect of your actions, just as there is of theirs. And the rest of us share the road with drivers that have been pissed off at cyclists long enough that they don't give a rat's ass about vehicular homicide or manslaughter when they're seeing red and running me over. (165, no it won't happen here, more than likely, but I find myself riding in metropolitan areas throughout the summer, so stuff it). Retaliate, of course. Just don't be so blissfully ignorant as to assume that you're making life easier on anyone else on a bike.

The mentality that so many of you are operating under is the exact mentality that asshat drivers operate under.

And I will forever maintain that I can piss farther than any of you.

Prediction.

This thread will be a train wreck. Many people from outside the FG/SS sections will come in and lay in. Feathers will fly. Opinions will be stated. Some one's gonna call someone a name. Someone's gonna get thier feelings hurt.

None of it will make DV safe. None of it will fix the mirror. None if it will do much of a god dam thing.

But it'll be epic, funny, and goooood reading.

So, let's have at it.

It was not my intent, but if I offended you in any way, then I apologize for doing so.

Boy, that was easy.

Oh yeah, good thing I'm not Irish:

'Bucko' - derogatory term for 'unreliable Irish youth.' :D :D :D :D

Sort of against what you posted earlier.
Dude, you haven't been 'round here long, have you?

Here we go again.... :D

Wow. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wait a sec, are you serious?

funny spelling for an academic. That must be the 'big city' Philly public schooling coming out in you.
I back DV 100%. I have done this to protect myself IN A BIKE LANE. Maybe you could come to Chicago and give a class on how to offer friendly tips on not hitting cyclists to all the PISSED OFF, SUV DRIVING, TAXI CAB ROCKETS, etc here and make it better for us. We'd appreciate it.

Not at all against. I haven't been advocating a policy of no response. I stated that very clearly in an earlier post. I'm just saying that breaking **** continues what you aptly termed as an escalation. The problem I have is that a 3000 pound machine with a driver that's been escalated is a significant threat. Beating on their machine just makes them more willing to run me over. If someone's willing to run over a rider to begin with, and a rider breaks off their rearview mirror, do you really think that they'll be more polite to another rider at a later time?

As for your second comment, I hardly think that duration of membership has anything to do with pissing PSI.

Just a few articles as food for thought. I'm not real happy with me being painted as a country bumkin, peace sign sucking, flower child, but hey thats the nature of the beast in an anonymous internet. Either way, I'm pretty adament in my stance that what dumpstervegan did was *not* justified regardless of where he lived and commutes - and if you knew me you'd know it takes a lot to say that. Read on I'm sure your rage will grow. Mine did.

To me Cars are weapons, I dont ***u with people with guns, I don't u*** with people with cars. I still get mad, I still behave badly, but I feel pretty stupid and bad afterwards. and temper my reactions accordingly

It's a slow day, good for the soul - I wish I was arguing with another group besides my own tribe, oh well.

I love this one... I bet the cyclist was TOTALY JUSTIFIED! in what he did to the big bad SUV - 'course he's still dead, died a miserable death, but hey the driver got his too. 2 lives lost that day.
http://www.totalbike.com/news/article/588/

A bullet in the chest, wasnt worth the arguement if you ask me - I'll fight for something I am willing to throw my future and my wife and 2 kids future away on, the right of way on a road IS NOT one of those things
http://www.bikeleague.org/mediacenter/medprs20.htm

He's a little too mushy, but makes a good point at teh end of the article.
http://www.australiancyclist.com.au/....php?s=8&a=102

eh well The driver DID give him the finger, and he was driving a pick-up, they reacted how they saw fit... nothing wrong with that right?
http://www.totalbike.com/news/article/894/
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04063/280552.stm

Better places to live?
http://www.bikesatwork.com/carfree/c...-database.html

You'll agree with the last line of the article
http://varsity.utoronto.ca:16080/arc...news/road.html

Suggests filing a police report, I did. guess it worked <shrug> I've got better things to do than worry about it.
http://multisweatracing.org/articles/roadrage.htm

Hmmm.. thought this stuff only happens in NY or Chicago?
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_481518.html



It took me exactely 17 minutes today to research this and another 20 to compise posts. 37 minutes to re-enforce fighting a car or truck on thier terms is a losing battle.

Whoa, screw the ULock-as-car-beater... I'm gettin' a .45