Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Singlespeed & Fixed Gear
Reload this Page >

Skidding and Gear ratio.

Notices
Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

Skidding and Gear ratio.

Old 10-13-08, 11:35 AM
  #1  
Critical Jeff
Permanent Beater Rider
Thread Starter
 
Critical Jeff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 466

Bikes: Windsor Hour

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Skidding and Gear ratio.

I know someone is going to say "search the forum newb," so just send me a PM if you really want to cry about it instead of posting in this thread.

I always see these guys online skidding effortlessly. I would like some pointers on technique. I would also like to know what ratio you are running. I'm running a 48/15 on my new Windsor Hour with I guess the stock 700c wheels. I find it super hard to skid even more than 4-6 inches. Do I need to lock my knee? Do I need to lean as far forward as possible? I feel like im going to eat pavement if I lean too far forward.

stats
48/15 ratio (3.2) (stock cog)
700c wheels
56cm Hour
stock wheels
New to fixed gears bikes
Critical Jeff is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 11:37 AM
  #2  
houdini logic
rad d00d
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 53

Bikes: Fuji Absolute Fix Convert

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
search the forum newb
houdini logic is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 11:37 AM
  #3  
MIN 
big ring
 
MIN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: philadelphia
Posts: 5,838
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Are you kidding you will blow out your knees. That is way to high of a gear. Try 48x18T.
MIN is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 11:38 AM
  #4  
Critical Jeff
Permanent Beater Rider
Thread Starter
 
Critical Jeff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 466

Bikes: Windsor Hour

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by MIN View Post
Are you kidding you will blow out your knees. That is way to high of a gear. Try 48x18T.
Cool, I need to replace the stock cog and lockring anyways.
Critical Jeff is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 11:41 AM
  #5  
Brvn
Senior Member
 
Brvn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Norman, OK
Posts: 175
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Just christ 48/15 is pretty much unskiddable, even if you are balls on stemming it. I know some huge bros will come in and say "ANYTHING IS SKIDDABLE" but Im a skinny guy and I had to balls on stem it to skid 77 gear inches, I cant imagine locking up 84.2 gear inches. If any of your friends ride fixed try their bikes. After riding a friends bike who was riding 65 gear inches, I switched from 77 to closer to that.


But to sum up the thread that is about to ensue "dont skid tires cost more than brakes go buy a ****ing brake hipster dont skid skidding is gay buy a brake search the forum"
Brvn is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 11:53 AM
  #6  
Adam G.
Senior Member
 
Adam G.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 532
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Just practice at it, then one day it will just happen. I ride 46x16. My first time on a fixed bike I was skidding right away with no problems, not very impressive skids but i was doing it. When I was young all my bikes before the age of 15 were fixed gears, seemed like that's how they made kids bikes in the 70's. So when I had to skid I obviously was doing the same thing people do now on fixed gears. I don't know call it muscle memory.

I am very impressed seeing people skid effortlessly seated, especially going down a hill and skidding every few feet alternating sides. A little tip is whatever foot you are going to use for the back pressure, as soon as that foot is on top of your rotation start immediately to stiffen your leg and pull up with your other foot, really its all about timing and different muscle usage. As you practice more you will work those certain muscles in your legs you never used before riding fixed.
Adam G. is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 12:22 PM
  #7  
2new2this
Head Chief
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: kettering ohio
Posts: 332

Bikes: Motobecane Messenger

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I have a Meesenger, and after about a week or two I can barely skid on the 48/16 ratio. Not the best ratio though, as it leaves me with 1 skid patch. I am looking to change my chainring and cog soon though.
2new2this is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 12:32 PM
  #8  
matt wisconsin
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Stevens Point/Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 440
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
you don't have to skid, but seriously lower your gear
matt wisconsin is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 02:23 PM
  #9  
triplesixer
666
 
triplesixer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 656

Bikes: Raleigh 29er, IRO Angus frameset- random components, Giant Bowery, Raleigh Rush Hour frameset-future build

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I ride 48/15 and I love it.
triplesixer is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 02:32 PM
  #10  
triplesixer
666
 
triplesixer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 656

Bikes: Raleigh 29er, IRO Angus frameset- random components, Giant Bowery, Raleigh Rush Hour frameset-future build

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
That's a huge cog.
triplesixer is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 02:37 PM
  #11  
Joetheshmo
P.L.U.R
 
Joetheshmo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 62

Bikes: 1985 Shwinn World 10 speed, 1970-ish Centurion Converted to Fixed Gear

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
switch to a 17T cog.
i ride with that and its beautiful
17 skid patches ftw^^

EDIT: oh yeah and learning how to skid is kinda hard at first, especially if youre new to riding.
i practiced a lot in a parking garage that was close to my house. the smooth pavement makes it a lot easier
also, grass is fun too, but it's easier to eat **** on, unless it's pretty flat
that's my 2 cents
good luck
have fun
Joetheshmo is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 02:42 PM
  #12  
MIN 
big ring
 
MIN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: philadelphia
Posts: 5,838
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by triplesixer View Post
I ride 48/15 and I love it.
This makes no sense for anything other than velodrome use.
MIN is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 02:53 PM
  #13  
triplesixer
666
 
triplesixer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 656

Bikes: Raleigh 29er, IRO Angus frameset- random components, Giant Bowery, Raleigh Rush Hour frameset-future build

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I rode for a few years in the local drome. The ratio just stuck. I don't skid around like a 17 year old moron though. I prefer cadencing down, skidding/skipping for quick stops.
triplesixer is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 02:56 PM
  #14  
juliov23
Senior Member
 
juliov23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Sacramento, California
Posts: 149

Bikes: Nishiki NFS-B and Fuji Team 2007

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
48x16 i use to have a 15 but i got a new cog when i got my new wheelset.

my friend on the other hand found it easy to skid with the 15 and he currently rides a 48x14 and skids quite a far distance.
juliov23 is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 02:57 PM
  #15  
Brvn
Senior Member
 
Brvn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Norman, OK
Posts: 175
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Can you seriously climb decent hills with 48/15? Not trying to troll but I feel like that would be a horribly unfun ride for more than 20 minutes.
Brvn is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 03:04 PM
  #16  
triplesixer
666
 
triplesixer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 656

Bikes: Raleigh 29er, IRO Angus frameset- random components, Giant Bowery, Raleigh Rush Hour frameset-future build

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Yeah I can climb some hills, but I don't live in a very hilly area, it's mostly flat. And I love how fast the ratio is.
triplesixer is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 03:27 PM
  #17  
gasftl
Elite Member
 
gasftl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 117
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
48/19 here.

I had 48/15 and skidding was a *****.
gasftl is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 04:49 PM
  #18  
digthemlows
Senior Member
 
digthemlows's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sac-Toe CA
Posts: 149

Bikes: 2012 Knolly Chilcotin, 1969 Puegeot U-08, Trek Xtracycle, 1991 Tomassini Velocista,

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
52 18 here and I can't skid even with my 6'7" 235lb weight thrown into it! But I love the gearing, I can haul!!!
digthemlows is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 05:29 PM
  #19  
RichPugh
Nymphomaniactionhero
 
RichPugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 496

Bikes: 07' Specialized Langster Comp, 04' Bianchi Pista Concept

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
I'm 6'1" amd near 300lbs and 48x19 was about the worst gear I've ever ridden unless I needed to go very slow and up lots of hills. Spinning way too much at a cruising speed. Wonderful for skidding and tricks though. I started at 48x16, went to 48x18 then back up to 49x16. I might consider going to a 47x16. Maybe you guys just ride slower or its super hilly and you need a 48x19 for it but my roommate rides a stock Surly Steamroller at 48x19 and him trying to keep up with me just cruising back from the bar is ridiculous.

Skidding is easiest with lower gear inch drivetrains and when you can apply leverage out in front of the stem to unweight the rear tire. I assure you, You can NOT lean over the bars so far that you'll tip forward. (Disclaimer: YouTube videos are proof of nothing LOL. I take no responsibility for your actions)

On the downstroke of your trailing leg (the one that would be in the back if your bike had a freewheel and you were coasting), hop up forward, lean your nuts on the stem, brace your arms putting all your weight out over the bars, lock your legs at 3/9 or somewhere near there and commit to not allowing your legs to rotate with the drivetrain. It's easiest of your front leg (if not both) is strapped/clipped in. Its also easier with speed. Slower means more friction on back tire so... just go faster, maybe a slow sprint after 2-3 hard pedals.

I consider weight a disadvantage to skidding unless you are running bullhorns allowing you to leverage way out in front of the stem. I'm running 100mm stems and straight or rider bars and since I weigh so much, its more weight on that back tire when I'm not leveraging it for skidding.

BTW, I refer to skidding as fun times, distance measured, black marks on light surfaces, goofing off, tricks. I like tricks but I hope you know how to skid/scrub stop/slow or have a front brake too
RichPugh is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 05:32 PM
  #20  
skeletor3000
Senior Member
 
skeletor3000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 179

Bikes: Cannondale R600 CAAD5, 1973 Takara, 2009 Mercier Kilo TT

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Brvn View Post
Can you seriously climb decent hills with 48/15? Not trying to troll but I feel like that would be a horribly unfun ride for more than 20 minutes.
I just started running 48/16 (stock on the Kilo I just got) up some pretty decent hills on a daily basis, and I love it. The higher ratio just makes it easier to go balls out than to pace yourself, which I guess could be a drawback but if I wanted to go slow and steady I think I'd just ride a 10 speed.

Skidding is kinda tough, but it's really not that hard. The single skidpatch is the only (huuuge) reason I really want to change the ratio. Plus when you go back DOWN the big hills, the low ratio is definitely preferable, in my opinion, since spinning a little slower seems to make it easier to apply resistance than when your legs are a blur under you.
skeletor3000 is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 05:55 PM
  #21  
SignalR
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Good to know. I was just looking for this info. I have a flip fixed hub 16T /18T.
SignalR is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 06:05 PM
  #22  
coppertop4646
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 237
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
do 48/17 you will have 17 skid patches instead of the 3 you get with 48/18
i have 48/17 and its super easy to skid
coppertop4646 is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 08:22 PM
  #23  
dannygoot
Coffee Cog
 
dannygoot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Sacto
Posts: 34

Bikes: 1968 Raleigh Super Course / Conversion

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by digthemlows View Post
52 18 here and I can't skid even with my 6'7" 235lb weight thrown into it! But I love the gearing, I can haul!!!
I'm right there with you Brother! 52/18. Who stops anyway?
dannygoot is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 08:32 PM
  #24  
roastbeef
8 Full Hours of Sleep
 
roastbeef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Hayward, CA
Posts: 640

Bikes: IRO Mark V, Yeti 575, Italvega Nuovo Sport

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
you should learn on something set up like this.
roastbeef is offline  
Old 10-13-08, 08:34 PM
  #25  
Critical Jeff
Permanent Beater Rider
Thread Starter
 
Critical Jeff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 466

Bikes: Windsor Hour

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by roastbeef View Post
you should learn on something set up like this.
maybe if I had the strength of an Oxen.
Critical Jeff is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.