phil stuff
 

How much are the single-fixed high-flang track hubs from phil wood?

Racer's Edge closed 45 minutes ago and I want to know NOW. I'm gonna build a wheelset for myself for christmas. with the radial lace up front like we talked about, and h + trend berlin walls. & Phil retinas.

bout 150ish

Too much to be worth it. (I regret my purchase of Phil's)

if you're going to by phils get them from spicer cycles. You can get double fixed hubs for around $20 more

You're joking right. Those hubs will outlast you and your family.

Yeah, and so what?? I know loose ball bearing hubs on bikes that are older than you and are also still cranking it out.

A set of Formulas are a hell of a lot less expensive and you can just jam some nicer bearings in there.

Don't get me wrong they're nice, but there's better things you can be doing with phil wood hub money to make you go faster. And you can buy a LOOOOOT of bearings before you hit the point where you come even with Phil Wood stuff.

Your posts are almost as comedy gold as milbachs. Keep it up please.

Whats so comedy about that?

Yeah, he's got a point. If we're looking at it from a purely dollar : go-juice perspective, there are better places to spend your money.

Ive got one right now I'm selling for 100.00. 32 hole high flange.

I'm more into function over form, but why settle for one when you can have both?

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/Tassnor/Hub1.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/Tassnor/Hub2.jpg

^^OMG. Illness.

Id go with the low flange Phil track hubs. I just recently built a new front for my bike with a LF black hub radial with black spokes and black nipples to a black Deep V. Very stiff, depending on your frame, its almost too stiff on my bike now.

Id def go 3x for a street ride.

No, he doesn't actually.

Like a respected forum member once said, quality is remembered long after price is forgotten.

Never even seen a Phil hub IRL, but +1 for the Waterworld reference.

That's interesting but we're talking about the cost of components relative to their benefit to one's speed, not some nebulous concept of quality worksmanship.

I'm sure the idea of a hand-made ***** is very appealing to some people, but some people don't have money to burn and just want to get off, and they don't want to make a big fuss about it. Is that okay with you?

edit: Also I had no idea I was making a Waterworld reference, and, for the record, I'm contemplating Phil hubs for my next wheelset.

If you want speed then phil woods are not the answer. They are neither light nor fast. What you are paying for is durability.

There are many boutique hub manufacutures that offer lightness at the expense of duraibility and serviceability. I'm interested in neither of these as I don't race and don't care.

Well some people do, and the guy you quoted just said that dollar for dollar, phil's are a bad place to spend money if you're interested in speed, you said that was laughable. I agree with you on all counts as far as phil's go, but I disagree with what you said about his post.

+1

get pauls, theyre cheaper by a bit and ive ridden both guys' hubs and pauls are nicer, i think. also, i would not lace them radially at all, its a bad idea for anything other than racing- roads will cause your wheels to go out of true in no time. i had a cheap as hell wheel i built up when i first built my fixie and the streets threw the 14 spoke radial wheel out of true a lot. why the h son rims? such a waste

msrp is only $2 difference between the hubs in a rear 120mm 32H silver hub.

pauls has 44mm chainline, it that matters to some people.

tree fort bikes has the best price online for phils.

I like my Surly hubs. It keeps people from taking wire cutters to my wheels just to remove an over-priced hub IMO.

Has anyone ever broken a formula/nova tech track hub?

I love phil wood hubs for how well they are made. but i don't think formula track hubs are any less durable.

^^ They are significantly less durable. I have a formula laced wheel which has exposed bearings and busted threading on one side. They're cheap-ass hubs. They don't even provide you with enough threading for different types of lockrings.

People strip phils too. Phil makes thier hub by machining a 6061 billet, so i don't see how the threads on a phil could be any stronger than a formula. Maybe they are.
As for the bearing being exposed, that has more to do with the bearings manufacturer.
And I don't think you can take points off the hub for not having enough threading for a non formula lock ring. That doesn't make any sense. I think most of the time, a stripped thread has more to do with improper care or use of the hub than it does a bad quality hub shell.

You know for a fact that phil hubs are machined?

Standards are good. There already is a campy standard for lockrings. Providing enough threading for that type of standard would be nice.

The type of seal I'm talking about isn't on the bearing itself, but a cap which covers the bearing. This usually on the axle.

Well yea, the guy at the phil wood booth at interbike told me so. People talk about machining a billet like it is a good tihng. Just cuz it cost more doesn't mean it is better. It is common sense that a forged aluminium shell is lighter and stronger than a shell straight machined from a billet.
So with that said i don't know if the formula hub shell is forged or not. But i would guess that they would probably also use 6061 or something similar. In which case the hardness of the threads would probably be the same on both hubs.

the billet ingot may be forged, but the hub is machined into shape.

http://alexandchristine.smugmug.com/...07_niuJg-L.jpg

get profile hubs. helluv small and sturdy

do those drillings compromise the integrity and strength of the flanges?