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Scratcher33 04-21-09 01:27 AM

I'm exactly your height. I ride a 53 Soma Rush, which I believe has the same geometry as a Pake. I wouldn't worry about it, if I were you.

rarebird 04-21-09 07:56 AM

it means he is still growing lol

that frame is way too small for you, go to a pro shop and get a real assessment of fit, god knows you shouldnt rely on some of these posts especially the old guy who claims to know more by virtue of being old and unable to change

i mean really, one hand position? i find several on bullhorns and tehy are among the most limited bars, and he came up with his perfect only use this hand position with much thought and reflection gawd what a joke.

reallly guy, if u plan to cycle a lot then you need a fit, or at least use the calculator that poster put up, really.

u r young but not dumb enough to trust inexperienced and delusional people on the internet right?

pro up your game, you dont need to be a pro to take advantage of the knowledge/

rarebird 04-21-09 07:57 AM

and really, if good sense cannot prevail let your shame be your guide, i'm a girl, a cyclist and a fan of fixed gears

you look stupid. fix it

rarebird 04-21-09 08:05 AM

and that frame is my size, you are more than 6 inches taller than me. gawdalmighty

lots of kids buy a frame that looks cool to them, svelte means not too big because big is awkward, i'm sure that bike feels fine to you but you wont feel wrong until you've actually ridden some and then its damage done

go ask the road forum, they put in general way more miles on, and have the knowledge passed on from the greatest riders in the world. you really do look like a newb that last picked a bike out in the 4th grade. and it isnt just about looks, you wont feel uncomfortable until it's too late

if you actually ride your bike

JaredG 04-21-09 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by rarebird (Post 8771328)
and that frame is my size, you are more than 6 inches taller than me. gawdalmighty

lots of kids buy a frame that looks cool to them, svelte means not too big because big is awkward, i'm sure that bike feels fine to you but you wont feel wrong until you've actually ridden some and then its damage done

go ask the road forum, they put in general way more miles on, and have the knowledge passed on from the greatest riders in the world. you really do look like a newb that last picked a bike out in the 4th grade. and it isnt just about looks, you wont feel uncomfortable until it's too late

if you actually ride your bike

You must not know that its pretty common for roadies to size themselves up to 3cm smaller on a bike to get an aggressive fit. There are some mighty big generalizations made in your response, let the guy ask questions, if you can't answer them, shut the **** up. How about that?



Originally Posted by erpdat (Post 8769896)
Thanks Jared. I never even thought about adjusting the fork. So you're saying I can get a fork a couple inches taller and be able to lower the seat post a bit? Or how would that benefit me exactly.. I dig what you're saying but am a bit confused as to its benefits.

Also, it was more comfortable when the stem was flipped but also more cramped.

Wasn't sure if I should sacrifice seat to bar drop for reach or not.

I just feel like I look like a giant on this whip. It's real fun to ride. And I DO get sore at times (calves, thighs and back) but that is it.

Mostly, I just don't want to look like a fool.

Moving to Portland soon and I know its the capitol of bike-snobs and just don't feel like getting called out on the daily.

One drawback to a threadless system is you have to dial it in correctly the first time, then that's it. At least a threaded system will allow you to raise and lower the quill indefinitely. I suggested that you buy a new fork, measure and cut it with a few more inches on the steerer, space it and flip the stem, which should give you a more upright position, keeping your back from getting sore. You probably don't need to lower/raise your seat post.

Do yourself a favor and at least fit yourself with a fit calculator, I posted one earlier. That way you will have an idea of where to go, as it gives you important measurements like BB to saddle, saddle to bars, top tube dimensions, etc.

clink83 04-21-09 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by JaredG (Post 8771568)
You must not know that its pretty common for roadies to size themselves up to 3cm smaller on a bike to get an aggressive fit. There are some mighty big generalizations made in your response, let the guy ask questions, if you can't answer them, shut the **** up. How about that?

There are different fit styles, and his bike would be too small on ALL of them. The top tube on that bike is plain too short. Period. If he put drops on that he would be screwed.




One drawback to a threadless system is you have to dial it in correctly the first time, then that's it. At least a threaded system will allow you to raise and lower the quill indefinitely. I suggested that you buy a new fork, measure and cut it with a few more inches on the steerer, space it and flip the stem, which should give you a more upright position, keeping your back from getting sore. You probably don't need to lower/raise your seat post.
.
Thats not true either. Most road bike quill stems(unless you buy the nitto techtronic) have a very short adjustment range...maby 4-5cm at most. You can get way more adjustment from a threadless using spacers and flipping the stem. Also, he doesnt need a new fork with a longer steerer tube, that will make his reach SHORTER. He needs a frame that fits, so stop giving him bad advice.

erpdat 04-21-09 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by rarebird (Post 8771328)
and that frame is my size, you are more than 6 inches taller than me. gawdalmighty

lots of kids buy a frame that looks cool to them, svelte means not too big because big is awkward, i'm sure that bike feels fine to you but you wont feel wrong until you've actually ridden some and then its damage done

go ask the road forum, they put in general way more miles on, and have the knowledge passed on from the greatest riders in the world. you really do look like a newb that last picked a bike out in the 4th grade. and it isnt just about looks, you wont feel uncomfortable until it's too late

if you actually ride your bike

If I actually ride my bike?
I use it for transportation, so yeah, I ride my ****ing bike.
Do you ride a bike? Or are you just coming here looking for HoTTiE fiXeD gEAr GuYz**********

erpdat 04-21-09 01:09 PM

There's no way I'd go above a 53cm Pake.

And the top tube length is 10mm longer and the standover is 0.6" taller.
Is this really going to make that big of a difference here?

And to those asking me to go get a pro fit, not going to happen.. Not spending $500 to spend $500

elTwitcho 04-21-09 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by erpdat (Post 8773575)
I'm just a bit confused. I know the top tube is too short for me but that is the only problem right?

If so, the 53cm pake is 10mm longer. Is 10mm worth $400?

The top tube would be longer, however the head tube would be taller as well. So you would be more stretched out AS WELL as there would be less drop from your saddle to the bars.

The idea with a performance oriented bike like a track bike or road bike is that it's designed to maximize the amount of power you can put to the wheels by lining everything up so all the points of contact between you and the bike maximize your biomechanical efficiency. In that light, it doesn't make sense to ride a bike that is going to tire you out by forcing you to use your energy to adapt to poor positioning.

Now mind you, I'm not weighing in on whether the bike does or doesn't fit you, that's simply the rationale for WHY fit is so important

queerpunk 04-21-09 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by JaredG (Post 8771568)
You must not know that its pretty common for roadies to size themselves up to 3cm smaller on a bike to get an aggressive fit.

Actually, this is pretty incorrect. An aggressive fit on a road bike is longer (and lower) not smaller.

Scratcher33 04-21-09 01:46 PM

Clearly, I'm in the minority here but I don't think that bike looks so-incredibly-super-small for you. Would a 53 be better? Maybe. Is it comfortable now? Yes. Will people who see you riding it in person think it looks ridiculously small? Probably not. The truth is that the vast majority of posters here have no idea what they're talking about and should not be listened to about anything

jastastic 04-21-09 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by rarebird (Post 8771271)
it means he is still growing lol

i mean really, one hand position? i find several on bullhorns and tehy are among the most limited bars, and he came up with his perfect only use this hand position with much thought and reflection gawd what a joke.

Is this in English?

erpdat 04-21-09 05:43 PM

Put the frame/fork on craigslist for 175.
getting a 53cm pake.

THREAD

radiocontrolhea 04-21-09 11:12 PM

Yay.

clink83 04-22-09 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by elTwitcho (Post 8773681)
The top tube would be longer, however the head tube would be taller as well. So you would be more stretched out AS WELL as there would be less drop from your saddle to the bars.

This is key here. I have two bikes that are both 58CM C-C, but one has a longer top tube and is comfterable. The other one is shorter, and is very painful to ride for long distances. You can get stems to adjust the height of your bars, but you can't make a too short top tube longer very well.

pompadork 04-22-09 11:02 AM

If I'm riding a 54cm now and want to buy a new frame that comes in 53 or 56, I'm assuming it's a better idea to get the 53, correct?

radiocontrolhea 04-22-09 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by pompadork (Post 8779445)
If I'm riding a 54cm now and want to buy a new frame that comes in 53 or 56, I'm assuming it's a better idea to get the 53, correct?

Do the research. find out the measurements for the frame, then go by that.

Tom M 04-22-09 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by clink83 (Post 8779390)
This is key here. I have two bikes that are both 58CM C-C, but one has a longer top tube and is comfterable. The other one is shorter, and is very painful to ride for long distances. You can get stems to adjust the height of your bars, but you can't make a too short top tube longer very well.

But couldn't a longer stem help make up for a too-short top tube?

erpdat 04-22-09 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by Tom M (Post 8779626)
But couldn't a longer stem help make up for a too-short top tube?

Not without going over the axel :bang:


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